Court Hears Second Amendment Debate On City Ban

[Igosplut]

Constitutional right aside, you can't compare guns to cars and air compressors, as neither of the latter items are specifically designed to kill people...

At the end of the day every guy has the capability to kill. There are many that follow the line of logic that you should ban handguns because they are the problem. Then it will be semi-auto rifles. Now, if you've gone that far, Shotguns are as bad because you can load them with buckshot (which is roughly 30 pieces of 30 cal size projectiles) and come in semi-auto, so that's like a semi auto rifle. Next there are 22s that have twenty round tubes ( and clip capability's) so those are bad. Then on to whatever.

[Igosplut]

And there is the argument to be made that the founding fathers couldn't have anticipated Uzis....

You could make the comparison that the 1st amendment didn't anticipate the internet or texting..

[Seshmeister]

And it also has been argued that the right was to be protected from governments and "threats to the people". I can get the texts but it's rather long.

Of course they make that argument but it beats me what a little group of weekend pretend solider survivalists could do against the million strong US military with it's thousands of aircraft, tanks , drones and so on.

It's a ludicrous implausible argument which plainly no longer applies if it ever did.

If they think having a semi auto rather than a hunting rifle is going to make a big differnce when a smart bomb arrives at their door good luck to them.

[Nickdfresh]

What shitty arguments.

I'm sure you can do better...

First, can you name a single state that doesn't restrict guns more than it does motor vehicles? Say, one state that allows a felon or insane person to purchase a gun? You can't -- so what is the point of your comparison?

Every state that doesn't force gun owners to register their weapons, dumbass!!

One has to register and title a car in every state, whereas gun owners don't and can "wash" their guns through sales at shows. Cars must also be insured, pass mechanical & emissions inspection, and their owners must show a basic competency when they get their liscense. Name me the states that do anything approaching that in regards to guns, and maybe I won't own you so hard next time..

I'll admit that Mr. Pibb is the shit, but does it make one delusional? Is it a hallucinogen?

But even if your comparison had any merit, there is a reason firearms are different: you don't have a significant Constitutional right to own an air compressor (?) or a car. That's why you "would think of firearms as any different," as you so eloquently phrased it. It's a Constitutional right that implicates personal protection.

The "Constitutional right" has to do with a regulation and restriction of a (peoples') militia, not firearms directly...

Hale, stop being Nick's dickrest and use your brain.

Moi? Go fuck yourself. First, you ask me to name who regulates their cars more than firearms, then you make the case that they cannot regulate firearms so it doesn't matter? Right, idiot. Another contradick-tion. The Constitution can be read to implicitly state that the gov't SHOULD REGULATE firearms...

[Nickdfresh]

Ever? Your arguments are just wall-to-wall shit. Off the top of my head, if you're accused of domestic violence, states with registration will check if you have any guns and take them away. Just one example.

So, maybe you should beat your wife in a state that doesn't register them?

[Seshmeister]

At the end of the day every guy has the capability to kill.

The thing is most murders are not premeditated, whatever is to hand is used. Britain is a violent place too but when the drunken fights in bars or domestics start people end up getting knocked about or even slashed or stabbed but usually survive.

A gun is a machine designed to kill humans so if one is around it kind of makes sense that humans will be killed. The US murder stats completely back me up.

[Nickdfresh]

That's because there never HAS been gun registration in the US. Other than fully auto guns that have already been mentioned. And those Are more heavily regulated than any other.

You don't have to get a permit for, and register, your handguns?

The simple truth of that is that gun rights are written into the constitution, while obviously motor vehicles are not. Most all states treat (or regulate) Motor vehicle licensing as a "privilege while it's universally accepted that it is a "right" to bear arms..

There is no precedent of anything not being expressly permitted in the Constitution being banned. There are even restrictions on speech in regards to "crying fire in a crowded theater," or selling classified state secrets to the Russians. We have copyright infringements, liable awards and suits, and of course you can't tell your boss to go "fuck himself" and expect to keep your job. So, in reality there are restrictions on the First Amendment.

And whose in the "militia?" I am! I am!

[Igosplut]

You don't have to get a permit for, and register, your handguns?

Permitting? Oh yea (and everything that has to do with it goes to the "criminal history board" and the FBI ,palm prints, ect)

Registration? no All gun transactions have to by law be destroyed after 6 months (although if you believe that, I have a bridge for you to buy).

There is no precedent of anything not being expressly permitted in the Constitution being banned. There are even restrictions on speech in regards to "crying fire in a crowded theater," or selling classified state secrets to the Russians. We have copyright infringements, liable awards and suits, and of course you can't tell your boss to go "fuck himself" and expect to keep your job. So, in reality there are restrictions on the First Amendment.

And whose in the "militia?" I am! I am!

But again, if you define the constitution to that degree, then the internet could be considered to not be 'free speech" because it's not (obviously) mentioned.

[Seshmeister]

This is very much an academic argument anyhoo as nothing is going to change any time soon especially at a federal level.

To me there isn't much point in bringing in stricter gun control in say Maryland to try and reduce Baltimore murders if you can pop over to VA and buy a 50 cal machine gun at a gun fair.

[ELVIS]

With so many guns already in existence, the law of probability allows for bad things to happen.

That's not how the law of probability works...

[chefcraig]

That's not how the law of probability works...

How do you figure that? If you have a large amount of weapons floating around in an illegal market, and an equal or less amount of people subscribing to that illegal market, how can the result be anything other than probable?

[Igosplut]

This is very much an academic argument anyhoo as nothing is going to change any time soon especially at a federal level.

It's more than that, but I know what you mean.

To me there isn't much point in bringing in stricter gun control in say Maryland to try and reduce Baltimore murders if you can pop over to VA and buy a 50 cal machine gun at a gun fair.

Actually it come down to plea bargaining more than anything else. Most gun related charges are plea-bargained out before they get to being prosecuted on the laws with real consequences. You can have minimum-mandatory laws, but that doesn't prevent the attorneys (both sides) from hammering out a plea to "Save the taxpayers the cost of a trial".

MA. has a 1 year mandatory sentence for being caught with a handgun without being properly licensed. The law was passed in 1976 and as of last year NOBODY had ever been sentenced under that law. ALL were pleaed out.

But yet they continue to heap more laws saying that last didn't go far enough....

[Igosplut]

How do you figure that? If you have a large amount of weapons floating around in an illegal market, and an equal or less amount of people subscribing to that illegal market, how can the result be anything other than probable?

See my post above.

[ELVIS]

Just a theory though. I mean, we register motor vehicles, nurses, mechanics, hazardous materials, etc. So, it might just be appropriate to register items that can be used to go into a school and waste half of the eleventh grade...

Vehicle registration is for government regulation, punishment and taxation of vehicle owners...

Gun registration is similar and Obama has even proposed a firearm tax...

The federal government does not register nurses, mechanics, hazardous materials or even sexual predators, as you should already know...

[jhale667]

Uh, NO.

You could make the comparison that the 1st amendment didn't anticipate the internet or texting..

Not really. I can't (literally) kill people via internet or text at 90 rounds a minute.