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But, I have a gut feeling this is a scam by one of the biggest presidential frauds ever. I hope to God we’re all wrong about this bill! Hopefully, later down the road we will see why it was put into place. I guess there’s nothing WE can do accept take a wait and see approach.
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I'm not trying to shit all over your analogy here, but I don't think that's how car insurance works? If you get in an accident and it isn't your fault, your liability insurance isn't paying anything to anybody. With no fault, it's even less similar.
I'm no expert in car insurance, I'm just not seeing the parallel.Comment
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Liability insurance is for when it's your fault -- when someone hits you, their insurance pays for your damages.
Everyone is required to carry liability insurance, at least in Texas, so that if you cause an accident the victim is guaranteed to be compensated. If we weren't required to carry liability insurance, then many people wouldn't get it, and a lot of people in accidents would be screwed. Especially if those accidents caused severe injury.
It's forced on everyone for the benefit of everyone.Comment
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So if Texas can handle regulating auto insurance and enforcing the laws pertaining to it, why can't the same be done with healthcare ??Comment
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I think the more appropriate question is -- why haven't they already? Besides, in our state if they did regulate it and caught you without it, they wouldn't fine you, they'd probably send you to the chair.
The Texas Legislature only meets every other year for about 140 days. This is specifically so we won't get much done.Comment
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But it isn't forced on everyone, only those that choose to use their priveledge to operate a motor vehicle. I consider it more of a by-law, but again, nobody is forced to have it. Have you ever tried to get blood out of a turnip? Try getting compensation out of an uninsured motorist.
This health care plan however, IS forced on everyone who had the pleasure of being born. And what about those who don't qualify for the so-called "universal" coverage?
Remember, their will be more than 23+ million people that will be denied this "universal" care...what happens if they get sick?
Not to mention that the taxes for this plan will begin coming out this year while nobody will see this coverage until 2014 or later.
Unemployment will rise, as is beginning now here in Florida.
As of Friday it was announced that those who work for Tyndall Air Force base that aren't military will be getting a $5,000 per year pay cut...these people haven't seen a raise in 5 years, how fair is that? Of course, the pay cut keeps people from getting laid off, for now.
Across the country companies have done the math, and they cannot afford this imposition. That means that people WILL be losing their jobs and unemployment IS going to double, even triple, to record numbers by the end of next year.
But what will work without a hitch is that the government will securely hold the power over the people to impose even more socialist, fascist rule.
Insurance Premiums WILL continue to rise and even more people will end up on welfare over crowding Medicaid, but becoming dependant on Social Services, as planned mind you.
Then, as more and more people end up on the public nipple the independant insurance companies will start to fold, again, as planned.
At that point nobody will have any choice but to go with the government plan and then what?
Obamacare owns every policy in the country. You'll have to wait days if not weeks to see a doctor, and then you will be limited to what services you can recieve.
Yeah, America will be much healthier as a result, right?
People couldn't be more wrong on that.
What if a first test doesn't find the cancer?
Well, tough, cause you aren't allowed to have more than one test so go home and die, we tried.
For ANY kind of universal health care plan to work the entire system has to be restructured from the ground up. costs need to be addressed and slashed from the start. Hospitals and the health care workers must be re-trained and more staff hired. more hospitals need to be built and the entire health care infrastructure needs overhauled.
We could have begun this by simply applying regulations on the current insurance comapnies that lower the costs, or at least freeze them where they are currently. Strengthening Medicaid so that it can cover more citizens, and most of all, cut taxes on ALL companies that provide supplies or anything health care related.
We need to cut taxes on every business, large and small, so that they may be able to offer coverage to their employees at the lower rates, covering more people, making it available to more companies.
But no, a power grab and imposing new laws that fine people who have no money for NOT being able to afford coverage is a better option?
Man, so many people are missing the larger picture here, which is, more government, less liberty and reduction in freedoms.
Nope, people would rather tow the party line and think this is still about left vs. right.
The truth is, it's the Government against the People, and many Liberal Junkies are letting them win due to total ignorance.
I can't for the life of me understand why everyone doesn't see the true agenda here...
Maybe you all should do what many are doing and turn off the fucking television. Not one media outlet is giving you the real deal, NOT ONE!!!
They all have their agendas and it isn't about information, it's about ratings and entertainment.
Sorry, but the future of America isn't about either of those things, it's about survival and staying true to ourselves and our neighbors. staying strong and not allowing ourselves to become a nation of weak fucking pussies. And most importantly, putting a stop to our leaders selling us out to the lowest fucking bidder. America hasn't had a true President in decades, I can't tell the sides apart anymore.
John F. Kennedy was probably the last President America had who did his job and and tried to represent all of the people...and he was assassinated for his efforts.
Since then, it's become more about partisan agendas at a steady pace...pathetic.
What I don't understand is how in the FUCK we have all allowed ourselves to become so fucking dumb and turned into political pawns for a system that holds no loyalty to anyone or anything that is not based on greed and corruption.
All that said, you all can go back to arguing the talking points that have been programmed into your heads.
Roth On!!!
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AT&T Inc. will book $1 billion in first-quarter costs related to the health-care law
Can you say Lay-offs? I don't think this administration has any concept of basic economics
March 26 (Bloomberg) -- AT&T Inc. will book $1 billion in first-quarter costs related to the health-care law signed this week by President Barack Obama, the most of any U.S. company so far.
A change in the tax treatment of Medicare subsidies triggered the non-cash expense, and the company will consider changes to the benefits it offers current and retired workers, Dallas-based AT&T said today in a regulatory filing.
AT&T, the biggest U.S. phone company, joins Caterpillar Inc., AK Steel Holding Corp. and 3M Co. in recording non-cash expenses against earnings as a result of the law. Health-care costs may shave as much as $14 billion from U.S. corporate profits, according to an estimate by benefits consulting firm Towers Watson. AT&T employed about 281,000 people as of the end of January.
“Companies like AT&T, that have large employee bases, are going to have higher health-care costs and, therefore, lower earnings unless they can negotiate something or offer less to their employees,” said Chris Larsen, an analyst at Piper Jaffray & Co. in New York, who rates AT&T shares “overweight” and doesn’t own any himself.
AT&T previously received a tax-free benefit from the government to subsidize health-care costs for retirees, who would otherwise be on a Medicare Part D plan. Under the new bill, AT&T will no longer be able to deduct that subsidy.
“As a result of this legislation, including the additional tax burden, AT&T will be evaluating prospective changes to the active and retiree health-care benefits offered by the company,” the carrier said in the filing.
3M Cost
AT&T’s announcement was followed about an hour later by 3M, the St. Paul, Minnesota-based maker of products ranging from Post-It Notes to respiratory masks. 3M said it expects a one-time expense of $85 million to $90 million after tax, or about 12 cents a share, in the first quarter because of the new law, according to a statement. 3M had about 75,000 employees as of Feb. 5.
Michael Coe, a spokesman for the carrier, declined to comment. Peter Thonis, a spokesman for Verizon Communications Inc., which also employs more than 200,000 people, declined to comment.
New York-based Verizon, the second-largest U.S. phone company, told employees in a note after the law was signed that the tax will make the subsidy less valuable to employers like Verizon and so “may have significant implications for both retirees and employers.”
AT&T rose 9 cents to $26.24 at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have fallen 6.4 percent this year.
Union Contracts
AT&T employees represented by the Communications Workers of America union have health benefits locked in via contracts that don’t expire until 2012 and 2013, Candice Johnson, a spokeswoman for the union, said in an interview. About 58 percent of the carrier’s workforce is represented by the union, AT&T said in a filing.
Obama signed the health-care reform policy into law on March 23 after a year of pushing the legislation through Congress without a single Republican vote. The new law will be phased in over several years and gives tens of millions of uninsured Americans health coverage. The bill, projected to cost almost $1 trillion, also calls for new taxes on the highest earners and fees on health-care companies.
Much of the public is still unsure about the plan with four in 10 Americans in favor of it, according to a Bloomberg National Poll. Obama is planning a follow-up campaign to sell the law -- the biggest change to the health system since Medicare was enacted in 1965 -- to the public.
Anything left in that bottle?Comment
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That's exactly right...
Existing insurance companies will fold (as planned) due to being forced by federal unconstitutional law to cover pre-existing conditions... and Obama the savior will usher in his single payer plan as the only viable option...
Of course, he wont be in office by that time, so who knows what we're in for...
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Eat Us And Smile
Cenk For America 2024!!
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992Comment
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~Ha!~
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"Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013
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It would be interesting to hear how much US people here are paying.
I did an online quote for me and my family a while back just out of interest and it seemed to be coming out at about $900 a month but it varied hugely depending on dozens of options I didn't spend time looking at. Is that the kind of figures people are talking about?Comment
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I don't know about Canada but to be fair if you are working here you have to contribute to optical and dental.Comment
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If you're saying $600 a year covers the cost of health care, you're fucking retarded.
"The Ontario Health Premium is to be collected by the income tax system . . . the premium is based on taxable income,"
Ontario Health Premiums - Ontario Government Charges Health Premiums for Health Care
Now stfu and go contribute to my strawberry discussion.Comment
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