Whose country is this?

[LoungeMachine]

Agreed.

I guess I didn't realize everyone was so sensitive around here about race. I guess it's ok to use every vile fucking term know to man in any post as long as you don't bring up race huh?

I see.

Glad you came to terms with it.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Are u married to a beaner also?

my wife's nickname is "bean"

[FORD]

Jesus. Do you all over react to every new person that signs up here?

Of course I know the answer to this question. I just want to see if you do.

You wouldn't know that answer unless you have been here before. So you just blew your cover, racist troll.

[LoungeMachine]

You wouldn't know that answer unless you have been here before. So you just blew your cover, racist troll.

He actually blew his cover when he asked Sesh whenhe got so uptight.



This joker is no "newbie"

[kwame k]

I don't understand why people are offended by slurs. I resemble a cracker. What's the big damn deal. I don’t resemble white trash so when called that I simply don’t care because it does not represent me in the least. So I suspect that if ”wet back” “beaner” or “ greaser”is offensive to someone it must be because they feel it actually represents them in some way.

Does “legal immigrant” stir any emotion? No. Does illegal immigrant driving around with no insurance no drivers license, paying no taxes stir any emotion? Damn straight it does. Ameri 'cans have earned the right to bash illegal immigrants in my opinion. Freedom of speech only applies to you if you are in the country legally. Other wise shut the fuck up.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Guess you and your ancestors are Native Americans?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Know where those words are written, idiot.

[Blackflag]

Is it Nate? It's Nate.

[ELVIS]

Let's see how many of the unemployed "legals" in Arizona will do heavy labor for $8/hr.

So you like the fact that illegal immigrants drive down wages ??

[FORD]

So you like the fact that illegal immigrants drive down wages ??

You mean that greedy cheapskate employers pay illegals under the table, rather than pay Americans a decent wage?

Or greedier corporations either outsource their labor entirely, or "insource" immigrants with H1B visas and underpay them?

[Nickdfresh]

I don't understand why people are offended by slurs. I resemble a cracker. ...

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I was thinking that you resemble more of something of a douchebag. But it's all semantics, really...

[Nickdfresh]

"Principles?" Oh dear Nikk, your ignorance is showing.

And how's that, Max?

Whether you (or anyone else for that matter) disagree with my support of enforcing the law, that's entirely your problem. I don't support people breaking the law, do support cops enforcing it and letting the guilty party's having the door hit 'em where the good lord split them. Clear enough?

I don't support "enforcing the law" via illegal means, nor do I support cops breaking the law arbitrarily and violating the U.S. Constitution when it gives them a hard-on...

Yeah, that's the one. Except you're excluding the part where I had to answer your own question for you. Again historian, the program ORIGINATED (that's what you initially asked in a vain attempt to stump me, no?) many years prior to WWII!!!

What "program" did?

Thanks and I'm grateful to get the kudos that I soooo rightfully deserved regarding that one. :D

More than happy to contribute a token to your self-esteem...

Never once have I ever claimed to be as such. However, at times there's just way too much boo-fucking-hoo'ing in here and I cannot help but arguing. It's especially fun with you Nikk cos you're always in a pissy mood to begin with. Thus, it's extremely easy to push your buttons just by saying 'ello.

Argue away. Didn't mean to be your personal downer...

Have a spectacular day.

Day for night actually...

[Nickdfresh]

I am not a troll and you know it. Lounge<Alias

Maybe not. But you got your unoriginal username from a liquor famous for being an ass-douche of tasteless fucktards.

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[Nickdfresh]

Will Arizona’s New Immigration Law Lead to Racial Profiling?
The measure bars officers from 'solely' considering race in deciding whose immigration status to check, but no one's quite sure what else they should take into account.

By Arian Campo-Flores | Newsweek Web Exclusive

Apr 27, 2010

Imagine you're an Arizona cop and your job is now to apply the state's controversial new immigration law, the most stringent in the country. The measure directs you, "when practicable," to check the immigration status of someone you have "reasonable suspicion" is in the country illegally. You cannot "solely consider" that person's race or ethnicity. Presumably you can consider race or ethnicity in combination with other factors. But you cannot engage in racial profiling.

Sounds like a recipe for confusion and disputes over whether race really wasn't the only factor in someone getting questioned. After all, 30 percent of Arizona residents are Latino, so you would be harassing a lot of U.S. citizens and legal immigrants unless you had some way to eliminate them and concentrate only on the illegal ones.

Who would trigger your suspicion? A man wearing grease-coated coveralls and driving a jalopy? A guy eating a burrito and standing outside a 7-Eleven? The problem, according to the law's critics, is that these descriptions are not useful predictors of a person's legal status. "The fact of the matter is, undocumented folks are literally from the four corners of the planet," says Arturo Venegas, a former Sacramento, Calif., police chief and the project director of the Law Enforcement Engagement Initiative, which opposes the Arizona measure. Illegal aliens can be blond Brits or black Jamaicans or olive-skinned Mexicans. And while this last description may apply to most of the undocumented in Arizona, it's not very helpful either. After all, the state's large Hispanic population includes many people who might look Mexican, might speak limited English, but reside there legally.

Yet given the meaninglessness of so many of the potential criteria that law enforcement might consider, the one that may end up counting most is race. "In practice, it is inevitable that this law will lead to racial profiling," says David Cole, a Georgetown University Law Center professor who has studied the issue in depth. "People don't wear signs saying that they are illegal immigrants, nor do illegal immigrants engage in any particular behavior that distinguishes them from legal immigrants and citizens. So police officers will not stop white people, and will stop Latinos, especially poor Latinos."

The law's defenders, of course, disagree. Mark Spencer, president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, which supports the new immigration measure, offers the following scenario. Say a patrolman pulls someone over for speeding. The officer asks the driver for his license and registration, but the driver doesn't produce any. Then the officer asks the driver for his name and address, and the driver seems evasive. When the officer runs the name he's eventually given, no record of such a person comes up. "Now reasonable suspicion is building up," says Spencer. He proposed a couple of other scenarios. Maybe the driver presents an ID that the officer determines is fake, he suggests, or maybe the driver "struggles to communicate in the English language." The key issue, he says, is, "Are they engaged in suspicious activity?"

The law's opponents, however, consider such examples irrelevant. "Not having a driver's license and not speaking English doesn't make you an undocumented immigrant," says Venegas. Nor does having a fake ID or acting nervously when a cop questions you (just ask a teenager who wants to buy alcohol). And there's an additional problem: none of the scenarios Spencer cited are contained in the law. In fact, the statute fails to specify any characteristics or behaviors that law enforcement should focus on to determine whether there's a reasonable suspicion that someone is in the country illegally. "Most of the officers out there will try to do the right thing," says Venegas. "But we also know that agencies have some officers who will do dumb things."

In a 2006 New Yorker article, Malcolm Gladwell showed just how dicey the practice of profiling can be. He cited research by Georgetown's Cole that pulled together some of the traits used by Drug Enforcement Administration agents over the years to help determine whether someone might be a smuggler. Among them: "bought coach ticket; bought first-class ticket; used one-way ticket; used round-trip ticket; ... acted too nervous; acted too calm; made eye contact with officer; avoided making eye contact with officer." When the traits that law enforcement seizes on have no predictive value, there is no fair guidepost for it to follow.

Arizona police departments, which are already strapped for cash because of the state's severe budget crisis, will have to implement the law with little direction or training. That worries Bryan Soller, president of the Arizona Fraternal Order of Police, which backed the measure, though not enthusiastically. He says that although the federal government has an immigration-training program for local police, there's practically no funding to take advantage of it. As a result, most officers haven't had it, including him. "I really can't answer whether somebody is here legally or illegally, unless they admit it," he says. "If somebody has the paperwork, I wouldn't know if it was good or bad." Still, he's not concerned that the new measure will lead to rampant racial profiling. "You will have a few [officers] who will become zealots on this," says Soller. But "only a small minority will try to push the limit." That may be more than enough to make life thoroughly unpleasant for many of the legal Hispanic residents of Arizona.

Newsweek

[ELVIS]

Illegal aliens can be blond Brits

Hahahahahahaha...

The british are coming...

The british are coming...

[BigBadBrian]

Guess you and your ancestors are Native Americans?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Know where those words are written, idiot.

Those "huddled masses" were admitted to this country LEGALLY....you know that, right?

I was looking at a copy of my maternal grandfather's Naturalization certificate just this morning in a photo album. This country is based on LEGAL immigration, which I don't think anyone on this board has a problem with.

[Nickdfresh]

Hahahahahahaha...

The british are coming...

The british are coming...

Spoken like a true racist...