Whose country is this?

[ELVIS]

Because they are nuts...

[ELVIS]

If we're going to "round up" illegals why not trace those fraudulent SSNs to the employers who hired the illegal immigrants and fine the employers for every illegal they currently have on payroll?

Great idea...

[Mushroom]

If we're going to "round up" illegals why not trace those fraudulent SSNs to the employers who hired the illegal immigrants and fine the employers for every illegal they currently have on payroll? Ultimately, we have this problem because of employers who hire and exploit these poor people who come over just looking to make a decent living and support their families back home.

this is already being done in my state but it's not a definitive solution.

[Mushroom]

the AZ law gives the state the power to address their immigration issue because the Federal Govt is not effective enough. it gives the state police the power to 1)...ask for ID under reasonable suspicion (which is nothing new, we already gave that power to the police), and then 2) detain that person if they cannot prove legal status.

[sadaist]

Why are so many of you under the false assumption that the police can or will stop people just because they might "look" like an illegal immigrant? The law is extremely clear that this is not okay. Now if a person is being lawfully questioned for another crime, and there is reasonable suspicion they are here illegally as well, they can be questioned. Last time I was stopped by police I was asked for my identification card, proof of registration, and proof of insurance. The required documentation so I may legally drive. Why is it so awful that now they can require documentation of legally being inside the country as well?

Racial profiling will probably happen. And there will always be cops who beat Rodney King with a mag lite. (and there are procedures in place to deal with those bad cops) But the AZ law just passed has nothing to do with a bad seed cop that might pop up on rare occasions.

Stop listening to the Stewart, Olbermann, Sharpton & Jackson types out there and try reading up on the actual law itself. The last thing any state wants to do is tie up the courts, all their resources and police officers valuable time by dealing with racial profiling law suits.

[Mushroom]

CA, AZ, TX and NM police departments are facing the issue of pulling drivers over for moving violations and finding in many cases that the driver has no registration, no car insurance and no ID because that person is "undocumented" --- consequently the police are no longer writing tickets for these "undocumented" aliens because they have no way to force the "undocumented" aliens to pay for the tickets.

[Blackflag]

Why are so many of you under the false assumption that the police can or will stop people just because they might "look" like an illegal immigrant? The law is extremely clear that this is not okay. Now if a person is being lawfully questioned for another crime, and there is reasonable suspicion they are here illegally as well, they can be questioned. Last time I was stopped by police I was asked for my identification card, proof of registration, and proof of insurance. The required documentation so I may legally drive. Why is it so awful that now they can require documentation of legally being inside the country as well?

Racial profiling will probably happen. And there will always be cops who beat Rodney King with a mag lite. (and there are procedures in place to deal with those bad cops) But the AZ law just passed has nothing to do with a bad seed cop that might pop up on rare occasions.

Stop listening to the Stewart, Olbermann, Sharpton & Jackson types out there and try reading up on the actual law itself. The last thing any state wants to do is tie up the courts, all their resources and police officers valuable time by dealing with racial profiling law suits.

Do you have the text of it?

[ELVIS]

How is asking for identification illegal search and seizure ??

[Blackflag]

It's not, as long as there's reasonable suspicion. If there's no reasonable suspicion of anything, the fourth amendment requires you to go fuck yourself and leave me alone.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

CA, AZ, TX and NM police departments are facing the issue of pulling drivers over for moving violations and finding in many cases that the driver has no registration, no car insurance and no ID because that person is "undocumented" --- consequently the police are no longer writing tickets for these "undocumented" aliens because they have no way to force the "undocumented" aliens to pay for the tickets.

a human being pulled out in front of my wife a few years back. she t-boned his car and fucked up the front of our bronco. no insurance, not his car, and no i.d. they wrote him a citation to some name he gave and sent him on his way, cause they legally could not enforce immigration laws.

[Blackflag]

CA, AZ, TX and NM police departments are facing the issue of pulling drivers over for moving violations and finding in many cases that the driver has no registration, no car insurance and no ID because that person is "undocumented" --- consequently the police are no longer writing tickets for these "undocumented" aliens because they have no way to force the "undocumented" aliens to pay for the tickets.

That's how it is where I live. There was a news story saying if you're illegal, you can park wherever you want now and you won't get towed. Meanwhile, I got towed recently...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

law breakin' fool

[PETE'S BROTHER]

why is it a problem?

[Mushroom]

Is it a false assumption?.....

It is a false assumption to think that the police can legally stop people just because they might "look" like an illegal immigrant. I don't support that because it's gestapo-style governance.

Your question: under what circumstances would someone be "reasonably suspicious" of being an illegal immigrant? The General Answer: a person not being able to produce authentic identification.

[binnie]

England is the Mexico of the EU.

Not really sure what you mean