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this law is one that will supposedly be exercised incidentallly, meaning: if an officer pulls you over for speeding, he's going to ask you for ID... and he can have suspicions of your legal status, just as he could have suspicions of you being stoned or drunk. I don't have a problem with this. it could be a slippery slope, but it's only in AZ, not US.
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Happy wouldn't be a word I'd use to describe how I feel about where this country is at in terms of illegal immigrants.
What are the alternatives, though? I can't say as I blame Arizona for taking SOME kind of action. After the influx of the last three decades and little to nothing effective being proposed, it does seem clear that more of the diddling around status quo just isn't going to cut it anymore.
All it requires is that a person carry proof of identification on them. If they are legalized immigrants and can prove it, then in theory they won't have any problems.
I mean, not to bust balls or be a dick, Sesh, but what other options do we have at this point? More of the same that got us where we are today? Maybe it's all easy for me to say that [the new AZ procedures] aren't that unfair, since I'm white and born in the US...Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I dunno. My earlier posts were half in jest in response to the tone of the 'It's our country not yours' kind of thing which I always find a bit funny especially coming from Americans.
I noticed a change in attitude amongst the average Joe last time I was in Florida, things seemed to have got much worse or at least the perception had. I get a bit confused though.
For example I was talking to a cab driver about how I always thought that working in a toll station must be one of the worst jobs in the world because you couldn't have a conversation with anyone but you also couldn't listen to a radio or whatever and it was incredibly boring. He said that the job used to pay really well with great pensions and so on but the Mexicans had come and undercut the US workers and now the pay and conditions were shit.
I didn't want to argue with him but I wondered how could illegals get jobs working on tolls? If they could how did that drive down the conditions of the original workers and also it's a shitty job in any case so why was this driver so annoyed about it? And should toll station workers make great money anyway?
That said every toll does seem to be staffed by a hispanic these days...Comment
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not in ohio and pennsylvania, actually, generally I see an african american or a caucasion working whenever I've had to use the turnpike. but generally we're more of a union oriented state, that is some weird mixture of blue and red.
florida on the other hand is probably the poster child for a red-state.Still waiting for a relevant Browns TeamComment
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I go by this.
Please feel free to enter the country and be a part of this great democracy, but for god sake, SIGN THE GUEST BOOK.
obviously some reforms need to be made to this system, I know of a family in my particular suburb who hail from south africa, and are the stereotypical WASP looking sort, dad has a college degree, kids excel in school, and are about as stereotypical ideally American as one could want, yet it takes them 6 YEARS TO BECOME CITIZENS!?
And perhaps there would be less illegal aliens if we didn't make the price to become an american citizen so fucking high?
something needs to be done to in that department, perhaps the barrier to becoming an american citizen is decrease if you have a certain level of education, And overall the process is made cheaper and less expensive.
The average mexican immigrant is not the problem in this, in fact, I would adovocate that if they really want to become real american citizens, than they should be allowed to do as such, but again, I'm fine with making sure drugs are not brought into this country as well, and steps need to be taken to decrease that.Still waiting for a relevant Browns TeamComment
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Oh fucking please! Reagan was the first president to offer amnesty. Republican politicians having been covering the festered asses of corporations that make their policy to hire illegals as part of their beliefs and their ideological disdain for the American worker and unions. It's not just about "power"; it's pretty fucking clearly about greed and exploitation. But you can't have your cake and eat it too! You can't have your companies invite people to cross the border for cheap labor to lower YOUR PRICES of goods and services--then suddenly throw them out when the economy turns shit--then just pretend they're all "law-breakers" and criminals when by-and-large we've ALL profited from the crime...Comment
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I dunno about that one, 'chain.
For most, it's a price well-worth paying considering the shithole conditions that they are leaving behing in their native countries to come here.
And while America certainly has its flaws and problems, the return on the investment that most immigrants get makes it well worth the hassle and the expense.Originally posted by perilouspete
fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.Comment
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$750 to take the citizenship test. But first, one must enter the country legally.
I tell you this....If I were one of the 12th generation Spanish-American residents of Arizona and was constantly being pulled over by the police, I'd be pissed.Comment
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Originally posted by perilouspete
fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.Comment
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Some do pay into the system because they work with fake Social Security numbers...Comment
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One the candidates in the election here said that illegals if they had behaved well and could speak English should be allowed to apply to become citizens after 10 years.
Everyone went nuts.
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