Can Obama win re-election?

[ELVIS]

Candidate Obama brought so many voters in that the turnout was enough to negate the fraud.

Yeah, brought in by acorn FRAUDULENTLY!

As huge of an electoral victory as he had, "officially", I've read reports that suggest the actual number of people who voted for him was even higher than that, by a significant margin.

Yeah, dead people, illegal aliens, etc...

It's funny how you think it's only the other side that commits fraud...

[ELVIS]

I would think he is unelectable.

He is...

He does bring up important issues at times, but he doesn't act on them...

[BITEYOASS]

I think if Palin or Newt "Ditched my first wife when she had cancer" Gingrich win the nomination, then Obama automatically wins.

[Seshmeister]

It wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to be a shitbag in any case.

I remember listening to Gulianni in 2002 and McCain around 2004 both times where they were hugely eloquent and impressive and they turned out to be fuckwads too.

I think particularly now as my generation starts to take control of the world I'm at the stage where I am deeply suspicious of all politicians. There are very very few people that get to their 40s in politics without selling their souls and those ones are usually unelectable, have huge egos and are banging various people.

[Seshmeister]

I think if Palin or Newt "Ditched my first wife when she had cancer" Gingrich win the nomination, then Obama automatically wins.

I don't care how he tries to package it up, the fucking staggering hypocrisy of him fucking someone on the side at the same time as being the Grand Prosecutor of the Spanish Inquisition over Clinton's blow jobs is just fucking incredible even by politician standards.

[sadaist]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the public.

Clearly.

[FORD]

It's funny how you think it's only the other side that commits fraud...

It's funny how you give any credibility whatsoever to a lying little KKKoch funded faggot who looks like this......



Oh, yeah.... his NPR video forgery was ALSO a fraud, in case you haven't heard.

[ELVIS]

What does that have to do with anything ??

[Unchainme]

Were there people stupid enough to vote for Chimpy? Of course there were. Sadly, the archives of this very forum are evidence of that. Even though some of them lived to regret it, and others even attempt to deny now that they ever voted for the idiot.

But given all the right wing groups who voiced their disgust with Chimp in 2004, it's just not mathematically possible that the guy who lost in 2000 would have more votes in 2004. Ohio was an outright theft, and the guy who helped them do it was killed in a plane crash before he could talk. As long as those goddamned machines are being used, you can't really count any election results as truly valid.\

Jesus Christ..not this shit again

I've been around those machines and I know how the damn process is from start to end, I know people who are in charge of the local BOE. Unless they are complete and utter MORONS or someone very immoral working at these polls, it's beyond difficult to do.

-There's a bi-partisan team working the polls, so much so that if any given voter needs helps, a republican and a democrat both have to approach the voter in need.

-The Machines are checked every couple hours, if theres any anoumolies not matching the books, they are to be reported to those in charge of managing the precints

-There are COPS EVERYWHERE when the ballots are returned to HQ, and workers are required to be on the lookout for anything suspicious going on during the whole process. If something did happen, like some "Bush Op" hacking in and changing the vote, these people were not doing their job.

-Did I mention who the typical workers who are precinct workers? Chances are they are either blue-haired old ladies or soccer moms, and they do indeed go by the book 90 percent of the time.

And if you really, really want to dive into defining an election illegitimate, what about the 1960 election between Nixon and Kennedy where dead people from Chicago somehow crawled out of their graves to cast votes?

In regards to the "plane crash", I will say that if anything indeed was all that fishy to it, it would have leaked out within weeks from that particular community. It's a small little dinky town in the middle of Akron and Canton who's population usually can't keep their noses out of other peoples business. That's it's reputation. If you were going to do a politically charged assassination it probably would have been the worst place in the world to do it.

[FORD]

This is how easy it is to fix an election with Diebold......

[Unchainme]

This is how easy it is to fix an election with Diebold......

So, if someone is some how able to get that laptop/palm pilot/smart phone in the polling place, in full view of the poll workers, then it's slam-dunk for the GOP, eh?



BTW, they won't even let you TEXT or Use an average normal phone while in line nor anywhere near the polling place.

[ELVIS]

And only the GOP would hack a voting machine...

The bleeding farts would never stoop so low...

[Seshmeister]

So, if someone is some how able to get that laptop/palm pilot/smart phone in the polling place, in full view of the poll workers, then it's slam-dunk for the GOP, eh?



BTW, they won't even let you TEXT or Use an average normal phone while in line nor anywhere near the polling place.

I'm still staggered though that the US government paid someone tens of millions of dollars for a voting system delivered in MS Access. That thing looks like about 200 man hours work. I think DIEBOLD must have charged them about $150 000 an hour which is pretty good money if you can get it.

That was a criminally incompetent use of tax payer money. It's more like the kind of system someone would use to keep a database of their fucking album collection. If you don't have a paper trail you need an electronic trail which a proper database system would have but Access doesn't.

As often happens where FORD sees complex conspiracy I just see government management being a bit shit with maybe a bit of procurement corruption thrown in.

[Nitro Express]

In the US the counties are in charge of the voting process not the US Federal Government. So what type of voting device used and the ballot varies county to county. I like the way our county does the voting. They use the Scantron system. No hanging chads and you have a hand filled in original ballot card to count. Most everyone has filled a Scantron card out in school taking tests so people are used to the system.

I never liked pressing a computer screen to vote. That's too easy to tamper with. With the Scantron system your card has your voter registration number assigned to it and it was filled out by you. If something goes wrong with the electronic system, there still can be a physical count of the votes off the cards themselves.

[Unchainme]

I'm still staggered though that the US government paid someone tens of millions of dollars for a voting system delivered in MS Access. That thing looks like about 200 man hours work. I think DIEBOLD must have charged them about $150 000 an hour which is pretty good money if you can get it.

That was a criminally incompetent use of tax payer money. It's more like the kind of system someone would use to keep a database of their fucking album collection. If you don't have a paper trail you need an electronic trail which a proper database system would have but Access doesn't.

As often happens where FORD sees complex conspiracy I just see government management being a bit shit with maybe a bit of procurement corruption thrown in.

Good points made here.

I still don't think it's a bad system per say. I've heard it's actually a lot easier on the poll-workers then it has been in the past in terms of counting ballots. I will say, that there is in fact a form of a paper trail that is counted throughout the day, and the machine, does in fact print out at the end of the night.

Just seems to be techno-phobia to me.

And on voter fraud, it's not exclusively a republican thing, nor is it anything new. Joe Kennedy was not exactly a clean-outstanding citizen and had a couple of connections in Chicago. It's not to blurt out something like "WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID IT! SO IT'S OKAY"..No, I view it as being terribly immoral either way.