The Gun Control & Ballistics Thread

[Nitro Express]

My weapon in the Army was an M-60. Not really that heavy. I think 12 pounds or so. Lotsa fun to fire. A bitch to carry around all day. Had a lot of fun out on the firing range at Ft. Lewis...trying to cut targets in half.


And the reasons the M16A2 has a 3-shot burst setting are as follows:

1. They teach you in the military to fire 3 shot bursts instead of just holding the trigger down so as to make it more difficult for the enemy to determine where you are shooting from.
2. Shooting only 3 shots at a time, you will make your ammo supply last longer.
3. Your weapon will not have to be cleaned quite so often as you will be shooting less ammo.
4. People with belt-fed weapons tend to fire more continuously, and the enemy will focus on trying to take out the heavy machine-guns......so you make EVERYONE fire 3-shot bursts so as to make it more difficult for the enemy to determine which soldiers are shooting the heavy stuff vs assault rifles.
Yes I know, one does not exactly sound like the other, but in the heat of battle, anything to confuse your opponent for even a moment is a good thing.

I got to play with an M16A2 for a while one day on the range. It was pretty neat.

And, whether the round tumbles or not, you do not want to be hit by one, as they ARE high-velocity rounds and even if it is not tumbling at all, any exit-wound is going to tear out a massive chunk of your body.

Personally, I prefer an AK. Simply because they are more reliable.

I shot an Polish Tantal once. It's based on the AK but has semi, full auto, and three round burst. It shoots the 5,45x39 Soviet cartridge. It was more accurate than I thought it was going to be and the trigger pull was actually really good.

The thing is the communist guns can feed and shoot some pretty crude and nasty ammo reliably. The M-16 cannot. I think you get more reliability with a pistol that the direct gas system. Also the M-16 has design flaw in the way the bolt cams into the bolt carrier. Also they just should have put and extension on the bolt carrier so you can slam a round home instead of the forward assist. I also don't like a button ejector on a rifle that is going to be in battlefield conditions. If you don't religiously strip and clean the bolt and bolt carrier you are going to have problems.

My dad had a cousin who got drafted into the German Weremacht during WWII. He served on the eastern front and got captured and was lucky to survive. He then came to the US and became a US citizen. He said a German squad had two MG42 machine guns and when they got into fire fights those are what did most the killing. The K98K was just a support weapon. Everything was used around the MG42. I would imagine the M60 played the same role. The main concern was to keep ammo flowing to the belt fed guns.

I had relatives that fought on both sides in WWII. They just viewed WWII as a shit happens event and you did what you had to do. You weren't going to go awol in Germany with family there.

[Nitro Express]

dude, europe has far stricter gun laws and far less gun crime. seriously.

would SOME people still have illegal guns? yes. but far less than they have now. which would likely mean far less gun crime.

Not Finland and Switzerland.

[Nickdfresh]

Mexico has very strict gun laws. You can go to jail for just having an empty round casing in your car. That doesn't seem to stop the criminals there from getting them and full automatic ones at that. Of course Eric Holder and others in our government seem to be more than happy to help the gun supply and the Mexican president seems to take no offense either. It seems like the politicians today want to disarm the law abiding citizens and give the criminals guns. Talk about insane.

That might have something to do with the fact that they can recruit college students to by multiple weapons legally to smuggle into Mexico? I mean really, the ease and availability of US firearms fosters the drug wars in Mexico? That's your argument?

[Nickdfresh]

Not Finland and Switzerland.

You mean the gov't issued firearms to the "militia?"

[Hardrock69]

Absolutely right about the AK vs. M16. That's why I prefer the AK. Under battlefield conditions (dirt, filth, mud, rain, snow, blood, freezing cold, blazing heat) I prefer something reliable, and the M16 is anything but.

[Nitro Express]

You mean the gov't issued firearms to the "militia?"

There's those in Switzerland but there are also privately owned firearms in both Finland and Switzerland.

[Nitro Express]

That might have something to do with the fact that they can recruit college students to by multiple weapons legally to smuggle into Mexico? I mean really, the ease and availability of US firearms fosters the drug wars in Mexico? That's your argument?

If this truly was the case then how come our federal government was running Fast and Furious? It must have not been as big of a problem as some say it is and they had to help it along. Also, how come our federal government does not patrol the border as they should? Both parties are at fault here. It seems our government really doesn't have a problem supplying weapons to thugs as long as that creates the problem to allow them to have an excuse to disarm law abiding people. We have a government that is saying we have no due process, the military now can act as a police force, and basically fuck you citizens and by the way we are raising your taxes, and now they are plying for excuses to disarm us. Well they ignore the constitution so why shouldn't they ignore that part of it. You seem to think all of this is justified and ok to do.

Oh yeah we will have a peaceful world just giving in and bending over. I think not.

[Satan]

Absolutely right about the AK vs. M16. That's why I prefer the AK. Under battlefield conditions (dirt, filth, mud, rain, snow, blood, freezing cold, blazing heat) I prefer something reliable, and the M16 is anything but.

Well, when the Soviet Union used to stretch from the desert 'stans all the way up to Siberia, they needed guns that could handle both extremes of climate. Joe Stalin brought one down with him.... it even works in Hell. Not that you can actually kill anybody with it here, but it's fun to play around with it.

[DONNIEP]

If this doesn't qualify as gun porn I don't know what does....

[Seshmeister]

It's for people that aren't just worried about the length of their penis, they're worried about it's girth too...

[DONNIEP]

It's for people that aren't just worried about the length of their penis, they're worried about it's girth too...

Too damn funny

[Nickdfresh]

If this truly was the case then how come our federal government was running Fast and Furious?

Um, it is truly the case and not even the biggest nutter can dispute it. In fact, that's WHY they were running Fast & Furious!

Here's the thread for more actual information: http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...urious-scandal

It must have not been as big of a problem as some say it is and they had to help it along. Also, how come our federal government does not patrol the border as they should? Both parties are at fault here. It seems our government really doesn't have a problem supplying weapons to thugs as long as that creates the problem to allow them to have an excuse to disarm law abiding people. We have a government that is saying we have no due process, the military now can act as a police force, and basically fuck you citizens and by the way we are raising your taxes, and now they are plying for excuses to disarm us. Well they ignore the constitution so why shouldn't they ignore that part of it. You seem to think all of this is justified and ok to do.

Oh yeah we will have a peaceful world just giving in and bending over. I think not.

What do I supposedly think is "justified to do?"

[Nickdfresh]

If this doesn't qualify as gun porn I don't know what does....

The balls are touching making it sorta gay...

[DONNIEP]

The balls are touching making it sorta gay...

Kinda like ganbang porn...not like the good old days.