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If it's indeed true that Carter gave the Iranians billions of dollars (even if it was their money) to release the hostages who's to say that's the real reason and not because they feared Reagan? Why didn't they take the money and release the hostages before that? I know what Ford's gonna say. The BCE.
Elvis, I was pointing out that the Clinton admin started the fiscal problems and Bush 43 tried to get a handle on what was happening but Bush 43's Treasury Dept was getting called racists for pointing out the fact that the loans never should have been financed to people that couldn't afford them. The Repub's were just as guilty because they thought home ownership would lead to fiscal and financial responsibility.
It's funny how this thread has veered. Clinton was and is an impeached liar. Just like Nixon. Clinton gets a pass somehow. He started the housing collapse. There was never a surplus. Public debt went down and intergovernmental holdings went up while borrowing from Social Security.
for me it's strange to see how guys like Brian can just ignore simple facts and don't know anything about the history of their own country. as I said before, I don't agree with elvis, but I can at least dicuss with him...but you can't argue stupidity...
I posted facts, you posted nonsense. You're not here for rightful debate. You're here just to have people tell you you're right, which you never are. Now, go back to discussing the conspiracy theories with others on this board that caters to that crap.
“If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
How could it possibly be the POTUS' fault for Congress' inability to negotiate a budget, even ignoring the obstruction?
Congress has sent him a Budget every year e's been in office. He won't sign. He won't play ball with Congress, which even Clinton had to do (The Republican controlled jerked his ass back to reality on some of his proposed spending).
Even the Democrats voted against Barry's latest Budget proposal.
“If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
I posted facts, you posted nonsense. You're not here for rightful debate. You're here just to have people tell you you're right, which you never are. Now, go back to discussing the conspiracy theories with others on this board that caters to that crap.
no, when I posted facts you called me Goebbels. that was your way to "debate", which is kind of typical for ignorant people. and as I said, ignorance is the mother of stupidity. I wonder if you have ever read a book about your country. do you even know how your system works?
the national debt under Reagan and the financial crisis under the W. Busch administration are no conspiracy theories except for those who simply ignore the facts. you never posted any. just some stupid attempts to insult me with that boring-to-death-nazi-schitck...
natra, if you're googling anything you won't get the truth. If you wants facts to support your position by all means google. Don't rely on c-span archives or on newspapers.
Bush 41 and Clinton both got the benefit of the Reagan policies in the out years. That's how good he was as President. It only took 20 years to screw up Reagan. Reagan is even at odds with the Tea Party.
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