The Gun Control Thread

[Nickdfresh]

I had a neighbor from Egypt who would always say, most Americans have no idea what they have. Most haven't experienced full on tyranny. I think this article out of Russia sums the situation up nicely.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...ricans_guns-0/

One of your neighbors, or an uncle?

The Egyptians brought down their "tyrannical" (US backed) gov't without the use of weapons and by taking to the streets. And there are many firearms in Egypt and various gangs and tribes like the Bedouins use them to kidnap Westerners and Islamic groups used AK's to conduct attacks, yet never toppled the Egyptian military regime!

[Nitro Express]

Oh my the emotions. Well let's just ban steel Nick. Guns are made out of it. You can make gun parts on the 3D printers and CNC machines. Let's ban those too. Where do you want to stop with it? Assault rifles are already illegal. Anything can be modified or made from scratch if a person wants it bad enough. But let's be honest here. How many people statistically are killed by such things? Not many. More kids die in car accidents but since it happens so much it not the big the sky is falling news story.

Also a government that will jut invade countries to do is isn't past using false flags to grab more power. It's pretty interesting we have a bunch of crazy shootings right when this is the situation. Shooting a bunch of kids is good for emotional effect isn't it?

Now let me ask you. Are you just naive or do you think you are getting a piece of the pie?

[Nickdfresh]

Oh my the emotions. Well let's just ban steel Nick. Guns are made out of it. You can make gun parts on the 3D printers and CNC machines. Let's ban those too.

Another silly relativist red herring.

In today's news, Mexican cartels attacked Federal police and Army with zip guns made from 3D printers and CNC machines--and were all slaughtered...

I think maybe the Army should fashion guns from CNC machines and issue them to troops in Afghanistan. I mean, they're all dangerous firearms, right? What's the difference?

Where do you want to stop with it? Assault rifles are already illegal. Anything can be modified or made from scratch if a person wants it bad enough. But let's be honest here. How many people statistically are killed by such things? Not many. More kids die in car accidents but since it happens so much it not the big the sky is falling news story.

I think where it is "stopping" is pretty clear. Assault weapons are not illegal and can be purchased in many states with little more than a drivers license, then sold to someone without any Federal background check, as was the case in Webster, NY where the firefighters were ambushed and killed.

A Federal Background Check would have saved their lives...

Also a government that will jut invade countries to do is isn't past using false flags to grab more power.

It's pretty interesting we have a bunch of crazy shootings right when this is the situation. Shooting a bunch of kids is good for emotional effect isn't it?

Now let me ask you. Are you just naive or do you think you are getting a piece of the pie?

LOL Yeah, it must be a gov't conspiracy! Not your macho need to easily purchase whatever weapon whenever you feel like it with less restrictions and headache than purchasing a car. It's all the guberment's fault! Not the fault of a selfish, weird small percentage of the American population operating on behalf of gun manufacturers. Maybe the government is killing off motorists in an effort to insidiously place safety restraints and airbags in cars...

[lesfunk]

I don't consider the slaughter of 20 children (and 6 adults) to be an "opportunity" for anything.

You don't personally. It is a political opportunity and is being treated as such but our "leaders".

But what it should be is a goddamned wake up call. Nobody needs to own assault weapons, and mental cases like Lanza and his mother shouldn't even be allowed to own a goddamn super soaker.

Nobody "needs" to own any gun. Nobody "needs" to shoot animals to feed their people. I don't need a rifle or handgun but it's my constitutional right to have one (at least temporarily). You see the Sun does not rise and set on what you think should be reality. And when something terrible happens that can help your political agenda You ride it hard for all it's worth. Anti gun fascists would feel the same if no children were ever murdered and you know it. you just won't admit it.

[Nitro Express]

One of your neighbors, or an uncle?

The Egyptians brought down their "tyrannical" (US backed) gov't without the use of weapons and by taking to the streets. And there are many firearms in Egypt and various gangs and tribes like the Bedouins use them to kidnap Westerners and Islamic groups used AK's to conduct attacks, yet never toppled the Egyptian military regime!

You mean that so called arab spring you were so giddy about? They just got another dictator with some real thugs in there now. Oh and the Muslim Brotherhood you said didn't amount to anything anymore. Gee. They seem to have amounted to something.

Yup. I'm selfish. I believe in self-government and individual rights. I'm not really into the communism thing. Even the Russians are warning us not to get tricked but you guys don't seem to get it. Also I have kids in the public schools and I live in a state with a lot of firearms and really lax gun regulations. I'm not all emotional and freaking over school shootings. Why? I don't have a political agenda to push over on others.

[Nickdfresh]

Yup. I'm selfish. I believe in self-government and individual rights. I'm not really into the communism thing.

[lesfunk]

All this bullshit proposed legislation is gonna accomplish is turn me into a felon because my shotgun has a pistol grip on it.

[FORD]

You don't personally. It is a political opportunity and is being treated as such but our "leaders".

Nobody "needs" to own any gun. Nobody "needs" to shoot animals to feed their people. I don't need a rifle or handgun but it's my constitutional right to have one (at least temporarily). You see the Sun does not rise and set on what you think should be reality.

Nor does it rise and set on what an over paid psychotic lobbyist for gun manufacturers (Wayne LaPierre) thinks should be reality.

And when something terrible happens that can help your political agenda You ride it hard for all it's worth. Anti gun fascists would feel the same if no children were ever murdered and you know it. you just won't admit it.

First, I'm not anti gun, and I am about as far from a fascist as one can get. Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power. Wayne LaPierre's NRA is a shill for weapons manufacturers, and he lines the pockets of politicians with their money to do his will. So there's your fascist. Literally.

I have no problem with sane, law abiding adults owning a reasonable number of handguns or shotguns, if they choose to do so and provided they pass a background check. I do not believe anyone needs a military style assault weapon, and I would sincerely question the motives of anyone who claims they need a 30 round clip in their handgun, since legitimate self defense, hunting, or target shooting doesn't require that amount of ammo to be fired without re-loading.

[lesfunk]

Nor does it rise and set on what an over paid psychotic lobbyist for gun manufacturers (Wayne LaPierre) thinks should be reality.




First, I'm not anti gun, and I am about as far from a fascist as one can get. Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power. Wayne LaPierre's NRA is a shill for weapons manufacturers, and he lines the pockets of politicians with their money to do his will. So there's your fascist. Literally.

I have no problem with sane, law abiding adults owning a reasonable number of handguns or shotguns, if they choose to do so and provided they pass a background check. I do not believe anyone needs a military style assault weapon, and I would sincerely question the motives of anyone who claims they need a 30 round clip in their handgun, since legitimate self defense, hunting, or target shooting doesn't require that amount of ammo to be fired without re-loading.

Anyone who doesn't know that the NRA is a shill for Gun Manufacturers is ignorant at best. I know they are and don't particularly dig it. But I have no choice. I don't want to have to register my .22LR with the authorities just because it's not an archaic bolt action. I don't want to be a criminal because my Shotgun has a pistol grip.
I also want to be able to shoot as many rounds as I want without reloading .
When I can afford one I want an AR 15. Not for Hunting. Not for self defense. Because they are an elegant, precision machine and are fun to Shoot.
I don't appreciate some politician advancing his political career by taking away my rights.
background checks? Bring 'em on. Gunshow loopholes? Close 'em. Laws? Enforce the shit out of them. I am clearly out of step with the NRA.
The NRA is wrong about many things but they are the the only choice I have If I want to keep my gun rights.

[Nitro Express]

I never liked the NRA that much. I'm a member because I shoot competitively and you have to be a member to get into the tournaments. There are other firearm organizations and I think those developed because people were getting fed up with the NRA. Some being more right wing than the NRA that want all guns legal.

The situation is this. The federal government has lost the trust of the people. The more gun control is pushed at this point the more the people will arm themselves. Every gun manufacture now is at capacity. Every magazine manufacture is at capacity. Every ammunition manufacture is at capacity. The NDAA really spooked people. The trust is gone.

Pushing for more gun control at this point is going to be useless. The more it's pushed the more the opposition will dig in. You see the liberals backtracking and trying different angles. The dumbest was Obama shooting skeet and Biden saying buy a shotgun. Nobody is buying the PR. The trust is gone. It's like trying to sell a car to someone who thinks you are the most dishonest dealer in town. At this point everyone is on the side they are gong to stay on.

[Nitro Express]

I own a Springfield trapdoor 45-70. It's in good shape and was my grandfathers. It still shoots. It was used by the US Army. In fact, the same type of gun was used by Custer at Little Big Horn. By some people's definition it's a military assault rifle. Oh my, I better chop it up and get rid of it.

I also have a Krag rifle in 30 Army (30-40 Krag). Another military assault rifle used by the US military. This one is a multi-shot weapon. This is what Teddy Roosevelt went up San Juan hill with.

[Nickdfresh]

You mean that so called arab spring you were so giddy about? They just got another dictator with some real thugs in there now. Oh and the Muslim Brotherhood you said didn't amount to anything anymore. Gee. They seem to have amounted to something.

Giddy you say? 'Kay.

When did I ever say the Muslim Sisterhood Yahah Club didn't amount to anything? if anything I mentioned they were the most organized and experienced force to inherent the vacuum of power unfortunately...

Yup. I'm selfish. I believe in self-government and individual rights.

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I'm not really into the communism thing. Even the Russians are warning us not to get tricked but you guys don't seem to get it.

LOL

Also I have kids in the public schools and I live in a state with a lot of firearms and really lax gun regulations. I'm not all emotional and freaking over school shootings. Why? I don't have a political agenda to push over on others.

You live in a sparsely populated state with the odds on your-side in that case...

[Nickdfresh]

I own a Springfield trapdoor 45-70. It's in good shape and was my grandfathers. It still shoots. It was used by the US Army. In fact, the same type of gun was used by Custer at Little Big Horn. By some people's definition it's a military assault rifle. Oh my, I better chop it up and get rid of it.

I also have a Krag rifle in 30 Army (30-40 Krag). Another military assault rifle used by the US military. This one is a multi-shot weapon. This is what Teddy Roosevelt went up San Juan hill with.

LOL Really?

[Nitro Express]

Yeah. I have a stash of military assault weapons that were used in wars. That makes me a terrorist according to some people.

I'm just making a point all this military and assault weapon talk is silly. I read the arguments and people just don't know what they are talking about. It's mostly emotional driven hype with some power grabbers trying to exploit it all. It's gotten old.

It's the same old arguments I've heard my whole life. The aggressive gun control push just divides the country more and has just created more gun and ammo sales. I would say the trust is at an all time low. No surprise when our leaders are nothing but a bunch of power grabbing liars. It's all about seeing what you can get away with. Oaths don't seem to matter. Giving your word doesn't seem to matter. Laws don't even matter. Yeah, people are antsy because the system is falling apart. The rule of law is falling apart.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah. I have a stash of military assault weapons that were used in wars. That makes me a terrorist according to some people.

I'm just making a point all this military and assault weapon talk is silly. I read the arguments and people just don't know what they are talking about. It's mostly emotional driven hype with some power grabbers trying to exploit it all. It's gotten old.

LOL At least BBB had some vague recollection of what an actual assault rifle was - aside from all the fake persecution complex horseshit...