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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    White House weighs broad gun-control agenda

    Washington Post


    The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

    A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

    To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

    The Biden group, formed last month after the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 children and six adults, plans to submit a package of recommendations to President Obama this month. Once Obama’s proposals are set, he plans to lead a public-relations offensive to generate popular support.

    “They are very clearly committed to looking at this issue comprehensively,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who has been involved in the discussions. The proposals under consideration, he added, are “a deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban.”

    The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Obama also faces a reshuffling of his Cabinet, and a looming debate over the nation’s debt ceiling that will compete for his time and attention in the coming months.

    In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    “Simply coming up with one or two aspects of it really falls short of the magnitude of the gun issue in the country,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum.

    Wexler was among a dozen law enforcement leaders who met with Biden and other administration leaders in the aftermath of the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The Dec. 20 summit, which stretched an hour beyond an allotted one hour, included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

    Biden “wanted to talk to us about the assault-weapons ban, automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines,” said Hennepin County (Minn.) Sheriff Richard Stanek, president of the Major County Sheriffs’ Association.

    The vice president said the White House group would consider a variety of proposals — from requiring background checks for all gun buyers to creating a new database that would allow the ATF to track all gun sales, according to participants.

    Stanek said the meeting also included significant discussion of mental-health issues, violence in video games and movies, and the poor quality of information contained in databases used to conduct criminal background checks before issuing gun permits.

    Some of the options the administration is considering may not ultimately be included in Obama’s package. A White House spokesman said Biden’s group was in the midst of its review and has made no decisions on its final recommendations.

    Politically rocky terrain

    The White House is also developing strategies to navigate the rocky and emotionally fraught terrain of gun politics once final policy decisions are made. The administration is quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups, including religious leaders, mental-health professionals and hunters, to build as broad a coalition as possible, those involved in the discussions said.

    The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.

    But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA, the nation’s largest gun rights group. At the Dec. 20 meeting, according to Stanek, when one law enforcement leader suggested focusing on only the most popular proposals, Biden responded: “Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”

    NRA officials declined a request for comment. In response to the shooting in Newtown, Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, called for installing armed police officers in every school.

    “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre said at a news conference Dec. 21.

    One potential strategy would be to win support for specific measures from interest groups that are normally aligned with the NRA, according to one person who works closely with the administration on gun-related issues and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity.

    For instance, this person suggested, Wal-Mart and other major gun retailers may have an incentive to support closing a loophole that allows people to bypass background checks if they purchase firearms at gun shows or through other types of private sales. That could result in more people buying guns in retail stores.

    Timing is imperative

    Obama’s advisers have calculated that the longer they wait, the more distance there is from the Newtown massacre and the greater the risk that the bipartisan political will to tackle gun violence will dissipate.

    “This is not something that I will be putting off,” Obama said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in an interview broadcast last Sunday.

    At the White House meeting, Stanek said, “the vice president indicated that there was a very short timeline for him to get back to the president with his recommendations because the American public has a short memory.”

    Already, three weeks after the Newtown shooting, gun-control advocates are growing impatient with a legislative process that is just beginning.

    “As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk,” said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. “Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children.”

    With the start of the 113th Congress last week, several lawmakers filed bills to address gun violence. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who co-wrote a 1994 assault-weapons ban that expired in 2004, plans to introduce legislation this month that would ban the sale or manufacture of about 120 firearms, including semiautomatic rifles and military-style handguns, as well as ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.

    The expired federal assault-weapons ban prohibited the manufacturing of 19 models of semiautomatic guns classified as assault weapons, including certain rifles and shot guns. The law also banned ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. But it did not ban the sale of previously manufactured assault weapons or high-capacity magazines.

    Since the law’s sunset, efforts in Congress over the past decade to reinstate the ban have faced stiff opposition from the NRA and the firearms industry and have never passed.

    Adler, who has submitted recommendations to Biden’s group, said he has told administration officials that they need to pursue multiple measures to increase their chances of success.

    “We can’t put all our protection-effort eggs in one basket with one piece of legislation,” he said. “We’ve got to do more than that.”



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    • jhale667
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 20929

      FAUX's Eric Bolling shoots self with confetti gun



      I bet he's great with real ones, too... MOAR GUNS...
      Originally posted by conmee
      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

      That is all.

      Icon.
      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


      Originally posted by Isaac R.
      Then it's really true??:eek:

      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
      Originally posted by eddie78
      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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      • So this is love
        Veteran
        • Jan 2012
        • 2394

        I use to like this guy back when he was with cnbc...now I dont get his channel up here...but I dont miss it
        Now who`s that babe with the fab-u-lous shad-ow?

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          Anti-Gun Representatives Introduce First Wave of Bills in U.S. House

          LINK

          The new Congress has begun, and so has the fight for our right to keep and bear arms. Based on bills introduced on the first day of the 113th Congress, we clearly face the most serious threat to our fundamental Second Amendment rights in the last twenty years, and law-abiding gun owners need to act now to ward off an unprecedented onslaught on our rights.

          While introduction of Senate bills won’t start until January 22, press reports indicate some of the targets of anti-gun Representatives in the U.S. House. (Please note that the links below will not have complete information on these bills for a few days.)

          Anti-gun Democrat Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) introduced four bills:

          H.R. 138 would ban transfer or possession of standard capacity magazines, targeting those that hold more than 10 rounds.

          H.R. 141 would impose federal regulation of gun shows. This legislation would require background checks on all gun sales at guns shows, and impose addition federal regulations on these traditional local events.

          H.R. 142 would ban Internet or mail order ammunition purchases, require a federal license for all ammunition sellers and mandate reporting of “bulk” ammo purchases. The record keeping and licensing requirements included here will place a serious burden on buyers and sellers and vastly increase the cost of ammunition—which is why the previous federal recordkeeping requirements were repealed in the 1980s.
          McCarthy also introduced H.R. 137, which according to press reports would create a national database of people “prohibited” from buying a firearm. Since the National Instant Criminal Background Check System is already supposed to be just such a database, the purpose of the legislation is currently unclear.

          Anti-gun Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) has reintroduced his legislation to ban all private firearm transfers. In the 113th Congress it is now H.R. 21. This bill would make it illegal, for example, to give a firearm as a gift, even to a close family member, without involving a federally licensed dealer.

          Reps. Bobby Rush (D- Ill.) and Rush Holt (D-N.J.) have each introduced gun registration bills, H.R. 34 and H.R. 117 respectively. Federal law has prohibited the establishment of a firearms owner registration system for decades. These bills would override these longstanding protections of gun owners’ privacy.

          While each of these bills is a serious threat to our rights, we know that this is just the beginning. We are sure to see semi-auto bans and many other anti-gun bills in the next few weeks.

          These bills have just been introduced, so we will soon be assessing their full impact, but gun owners should act now to let their U.S. Representative know that you oppose all these anti-gun bills.

          As noted earlier, Senate bills can’t be introduced until January 22, and we will report on those bills as soon as we have information. However, do not wait to contact your Senators and tell them you oppose all new restrictions on your Second Amendment rights.

          To find contact information for your elected officials, you can use the "Write Your Reps" feature at www.NRAILA.org. You can also reach your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121, and your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121.

          And of course, keep watching the Grassroots Alert for more details as we enter a truly trying time for all who care about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            The odds of Obomba living through his second term are not too good...

            If I may make such a bold prediction...

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              Originally posted by ELVIS
              The odds of Obomba living through his second term are not too good...

              If I may make such a bold prediction...
              Here come the black helicopters.
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10625

                I think the anti-gun nut liberals will try to get as much as they can with these bills.

                Luckily, the majority of Congressmen and Senators are pro-second Amendment.

                Harry Reid and Wayne LaPierre, below. Supposedly good friends.

                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  I think the anti-gun nut liberals will try to get as much as they can with these bills.
                  Then they will stage a couple more shootings that make Sandy Hoax look like child's play and ALL guns will be immediately banned by executive order and civil war will ensue...

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49219

                    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                    I think the anti-gun nut liberals will try to get as much as they can with these bills.

                    Luckily, the majority of Congressmen and Senators are pro-second Amendment.

                    Harry Reid and Wayne LaPierre, below. Supposedly good friends.

                    Define the "liberal anti-gun nuts." There's a big difference between gun control and gun banning. But so are many of the kneejerkers on the right that seem to mindlessly equate the two while advocating that every kid get his own AR-15 as a prescription against school shootings. They also seem to believe that insane people should have guns, but as a counterweight all sane people carry guns to shoot the insane people before they kill too many sane people and children.

                    There's plenty of reactionary pro-gun nuts...
                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-06-2013, 02:12 PM.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49219

                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      Then they will stage a couple more shootings that make Sandy Hoax look like child's play and ALL guns will be immediately banned by executive order and civil war will ensue...
                      Is that another Alex jones prediction, fail?

                      I guess the last 50 years of mass shootings haven't been enough?

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                      • jhale667
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 20929

                        Not sure which is more vomit-inducing... the wishful-thinking implied death threat, or actually having the audacity to type "Sandy Hoax".



                        Fuck off.
                        Originally posted by conmee
                        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                        That is all.

                        Icon.
                        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                        Originally posted by Isaac R.
                        Then it's really true??:eek:

                        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                        Originally posted by eddie78
                        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          It is a hoax, asshale...

                          And the AR15 was left in the car, Dickforbrains...

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49219

                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            It is a hoax, asshale...

                            And the AR15 was left in the car, Dickforbrains...
                            Well look, another "factoid" that shows you don't know what you're talking about, you inbred.

                            Actually, it was a Bushmaster and was the primary weapon used, Eldouchebag. "Hoax." I guess the children aren't really dead then, and all the victims are made up by our complacent media?

                            Listening to conspiracy radio hosts and and sucking the Jesus-juice® out of your pastors dick has really made you a completely useless human being...

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh

                              Actually, it was a Bushmaster and was the primary weapon used, Eldouchebag.
                              B U L L S H I T !!



                              Just because you want to believe something, that doesn't make it true...


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                              • jhale667
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 20929

                                Originally posted by ELVIS

                                Just because you want to believe something, that doesn't make it true...


                                Irony. Douchebag.
                                Originally posted by conmee
                                If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                                That is all.

                                Icon.
                                Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                                I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                                Originally posted by Isaac R.
                                Then it's really true??:eek:

                                The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                                OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                                Originally posted by eddie78
                                I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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