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  • ZahZoo
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Jan 2004
    • 9160

    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Background checks have to be done by all FFL dealers to sell guns.

    And no, I don't think citizen to citizen sales should go through the government for a background check. If anything, it should be handled by a dealer.
    Most are handled by a dealer... drug dealers, stolen goods dealers, human trafficking dealers... etc...

    That's where discriminating felons with taste shop...
    "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10625

      Originally posted by ZahZoo
      Most are handled by a dealer... drug dealers, stolen goods dealers, human trafficking dealers... etc...

      That's where discriminating felons with taste shop...
      And that's something the government is never going to stop, more gun-control laws or not.
      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • BigBadBrian
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10625

        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer today called on the nation’s largest gun retailers to participate in a temporary moratorium on selling assault-style rifles until Congress has considered legislation to reduce gun violence.

          A copy of Schumer’s letter can be found below:

          Michael Duke Chief Executive Officer Wal-Mart

          Thomas Millner Chief Executive Officer Cabela’s

          James Hagale Chief Executive Officer Bass Pro Shops

          David Pratt Chief Executive Officer Gander Mountain

          Darrell Webb Chief Executive Officer Sports Authority

          Rodney Faldyn Chief Executive Officer Academy Sports and Outdoors

          Steven G. Miller Chief Executive Officer Big Five Sports

          Dear Mr. Duke, Mr. Millner, Mr. Hagale, Mr. Pratt, Mr. Webb, Mr. Faldyn, and Mr. Miller,

          I write today with a heavy heart; the tragedy that occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, has left an indelible imprint on our national psyche. As a parent, my heart goes out to all of those who lost loved ones in the tragedy as well as the survivors. The people of Newtown —and all our fellow Americans—will have a long journey to try to understand how such a horrific event could occur. On a national level, there is a thoughtful discussion underway about specific legislative approaches to prevent a senseless massacre like this from occurring again. In the meantime, I respectfully request that you temporarily suspend all sales of assault rifles such as the Bushmaster .223 assault rifle and AK-47 rifle.

          The Bushmaster .223 allowed Adam Lanza to fire enough rounds to put multiple bullets in each of the twenty slaughtered children in a span of two minutes. It may be that there is an appropriate role for weapons like the Bushmaster in the hands of civilians, but today it is difficult to imagine what that might be. I hope to work together with you to evaluate our laws and identify the best way to balance the rights of individuals with our responsibility to protect the most innocent among us. I am disturbed, however, that while that conversation is ongoing, sales of assault rifles are reportedly skyrocketing and those resistant to change are planning events such as “National Gun Appreciation Day” to protest these conversations. I believe that these activities are counterproductive to the open dialogue we have begun.

          As the President recently said, “Our first task [is] caring for our children. If we don’t get that right, we don’t get anything right. That’s how, as a society, we will be judged.” I agree with the President and believe that every necessary step must be taken to protect innocent children. Therefore, during this time of grief, reflection, and sadness, I would ask that you follow the action of some of your peers and suspend sales on assault rifles both online and in your retail stores. I also hope that you will join in a conversation with the American people regarding these weapons and how to appropriately respect both the Second Amendment and the safety of our children.

          Thank you,

          Charles E. Schumer

          United States Senator
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • BigBadBrian
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jan 2004
            • 10625

            A sample draft to Senator Schumer in response to his letter:

            Dear Senator Schumer:

            NO!

            Sincerely, Executive



            We should also suspend Schumer's First Amendment rights until we decide if we want to listen to him or not.
            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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            • jacksmar
              Full Member Status

              • Feb 2004
              • 3533

              A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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              • jacksmar
                Full Member Status

                • Feb 2004
                • 3533

                A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                • DONNIEP
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 13373

                  Don't know if I linked this correctly. If not feel free to correct it.



                  ALBANY, N.Y. -- New York lawmakers agreed to pass the toughest gun control law in the nation and the first since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, calling for a stricter assault weapons ban and provisions to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill who make threats.
                  "This is a scourge on society," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday night, six days after making gun control a centerpiece of his agenda in his State of the State address. The bipartisan effort was fueled by the Newtown tragedy that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, `No more innocent loss of life'?"
                  The measure also calls for restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns. It is expected to pass Tuesday.
                  "This is not about taking anyone's rights away," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, a Bronx Democrat. "It's about a safe society ... today we are setting the mark for the rest of the county to do what's right."
                  Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features, such as folding stock, muzzle flash suppressor or bayonet mount. The proposal would reduce that to one feature, including the popular pistol grip. The language specifically targeted the military-style rifle used in the Newtown shootings.
                  Current owners of those guns will have to register them.
                  Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. New Yorkers also would be barred from buying assault weapons over the Internet, and failing to safely store a weapon could lead to a misdemeanor charge.
                  Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
                  Stores that sell ammunition will have to register with the state, run background checks on buyers of bullets and keep an electronic database of bullet sales.
                  In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report it to a mental health director who would have to notify the state. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.
                  The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.
                  The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored bills that were once blocked by Republicans. The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.
                  The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, also would mandate a police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.
                  It was agreed upon exactly a month since the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy.
                  "It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island.
                  Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault weapons and ammunition. He estimates there are already about 1 million assault weapons in New York state.
                  Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.
                  "We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."
                  In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.
                  Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
                  The bill was the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.
                  Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.
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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    Electronic database of bullet sales...

                    :ROLLFUCKINGEYES:

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                    • DONNIEP
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 13373

                      Since when do flash suppressors, bayonet mounts, folding stocks and pistol grips have any effect whatsoever on the lethality of a rifle? And you can have seven rounds in your gun. Seven's ok. But eight?? Holy fuck you're a gun nut!
                      American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 59552

                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        Electronic database of bullet sales...

                        :ROLLFUCKINGEYES:
                        What's wrong with that? If someone is stockpiling ammo, odds are they ain't doing it for "target shooting".
                        Eat Us And Smile

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          Maybe, maybe not...

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            I have a box of 550 .22 bullets in my safe. I did have 2 boxes but burned through the other one last year. That's 1100 rounds. And I buy 9mm ammo in bulk too - 500 rounds per box. Keep in mind that you burn thru a box of 50 in less than a half hour at the range. Would I fall into the "stockpiling" category? Most likely.
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35748

                              Originally posted by DONNIEP
                              In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.
                              Jeez...

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                              • DONNIEP
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 13373

                                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                                Jeez...
                                For the record - I voted against my state's ban on gay marriages. That quote above was in the article - so don't anybody get the wrong idea
                                American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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