The Gun Control Thread

[jhale667]

Whatever. Ron Paul retired. Eat that.

[ELVIS]

He may of retired from Congress but he's not retired...

He's back as the head of Campaign For Liberty...

[Nickdfresh]

Careful, a slight gust of wind might blow away the straw man you guys have constructed.

You can own a tank. You can presumably own a drone (if you have the money for them). You have to be federally licensed to put ordinance on it, but otherwise you can own them. Do you guys not watch Pawn Stars? :P

There are many people who own tanks, though I missed that episode of PS. California's Jacques Littlefield is one of the more famous, and monied, private collectors and he has some stuff that would make a few third world armies blush. But he doesn't have a T-90 and would have to jump through massive hoops of fire to even think of acquiring one. I believe he's mainly interested in refurbishing a WWII German Panther tank, as most collectors stick to disarmed, obsolete AFV's. Good luck getting and RPG-28 as the U.S. won't even let our allies have them since they can actually destroy, or at least severally damage, an M1A1 tank...

[jhale667]

If only everyone had a gun...

[ELVIS]

If only everyone had a gun...

If they did, you would think twice before telling someone to go "die in a fire"...

[jhale667]

Nope, still would. And still you first.

[jhale667]

If they did, you would think twice before telling someone to go "die in a fire"...

Going a little deeper...

Why? Because everybody's a pussy like you that would settle a debate with a gun? Your vagina is showing, ELBOW.

[jhale667]

You just proved idiots shouldn't have access to guns. Bravo!

[LoungeMachine]

If they did, you would think twice before telling someone to go "die in a fire"...

Why is that, exactly?

If someone was to speak those words, then a responsible gun owner would be in their right to shoot him?



Please explain....

[jhale667]

Why is that, exactly?

If someone was to speak those words, then a responsible gun owner would be in their right to shoot him?



Please explain....

Yeah, doubting a jury would buy "I feared for my life when he told me I should die in a fire" as the premise of your "stand your ground" defense.

[BigBadBrian]

Cuomo Close To Announcing Sweeping New Gun Control Laws

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ONKERS, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — A deal to give New York one of the toughest gun control laws in the nation is being negotiated by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who, sources said Tuesday, is hoping to announce the plan Wednesday during his State of the State speech in Albany.

Cuomo hopes to jump-start the 2013 legislative session with a big deal that could dramatically alter gun control laws across the state.

Highly placed sources told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer that Cuomo is negotiating with Assembly and Senate leaders for a package of gun control laws that would be a dramatic response to the gun violence besetting the nation, including the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

“It’s a very divisive topic,” Cuomo said on Wednesday. “There’s a lot of energy on both sides. Some people are vehemently against’ some people think we’re out of our minds for not passing it.”

Sources told Kramer the governor and lawmakers are negotiating furiously in the hope that Cuomo can announce a deal during his speech Wednesday.

Sources said the package is expected to include:

* New restrictions on assault weapons

* Stiffer penalties for using a gun to commit a crime

* New limits on the number of bullets in a gun magazine

“Gun control is highly political, politically contentious situation. It is polarizing,” Cuomo said.

In Westchester County, where Mamaroneck’s Hommocks Middle School was under lockdown last week amid reports a gunman tried to enter the school, the need for gun control is on the minds of many.

“There’s just too many incidents that are happening that you think could be avoided if there were stronger regulations about it,” one mother from Larchmont said, adding when asked if her children’s safety is her motivation, “Absolutely, I mean you can’t even send them to school now. Now my kids have police in front of their school. I mean you wonder how far it’s going to go.”

“I think it’s necessary with everything that’s happening,” Mamaroneck resident Gail Nubile added. “With the recent things that have been going on it does make you think that things to be happening, so you have to be extra cautious.”


Cuomo’s move comes as Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Gun Violence released a new commercial to push for federal action. It features Roxanna Green, the mother of Christina Taylor-Green, who was killed two years ago Tuesday in the Tucson, Ariz., massacre.

“How many more children must die before Washington does something to end our gun violence problem?” Roxanna Green says during the ad.

It would be quite a coup for Cuomo, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, to show progress on gun control while Washington dithers.

Late Tuesday night a Cuomo spokesman said the sides still had not reached an agreement, but sources told CBS 2′s Kramer there is talk of keeping the Legislature in session for the rest of the week to make sure a deal gets done.

[BigBadBrian]

Biden, NRA to meet on guns

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By Justin Sink and Jennifer Martinez - 01/08/13 08:24 PM ET



Vice President Biden will meet with the National Rifle Association (NRA) and a range of other groups this week as President Obama’s gun violence task force shifts into high gear.
A flurry of meetings with Biden and other Cabinet members were announced on Tuesday that will include gun-safety and sportsmen’s groups as well as Hollywood and video-game interests.

The pace and scope of Biden’s work — the task force he is leading is said to be considering significant changes to gun laws and is scheduled to deliver recommendations to Obama by the end of the month — have left groups scrambling over who can attend.

Movie studios, for example, were at press time still mulling whether to send their local representatives in Washington or corporate executives to meet with Biden.
The powerful NRA, which had warned that Obama, if reelected, would push for tighter gun laws, said it had accepted an invitation to attend a meeting.
“We are sending a rep to hear what they have to say,” NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said.

Obama formed Biden’s task force in response to the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., that left 27 dead, including 20 6- and 7-year-olds. Obama has described the day as the worst of his presidency.

The White House offered few details about the meetings, with a senior administration official saying it would leave it up to individual groups “to decide whether to make any comment on their attendance at those meetings.”

But Obama and the NRA would appear to be on a collision course.

The NRA responded to the Newtown killings by suggesting armed guards at schools could prevent such tragedies, a statement rebuked by Obama during an appearance last week on “Meet the Press.”
The Washington Post recently reported that the White House is weighing a broad approach on gun control that would go beyond bans on assault weapons and high-capacity clips that have garnered attention in the past. The Post said the Biden group was considering universal background checks for gun buyers and a national database to track the movement and sale of weapons that would be sure to be opposed by the NRA.

The administration official said Biden would meet Wednesday with gun-safety organizations and groups representing shooting victims, and on Thursday with gun-ownership organizations and sportsmen’s groups. Attorney General Eric Holder will attend Wednesday’s meeting.

The vice president will also meet with members of the video-game and entertainment industry, which have come under scrutiny in the debate over gun violence.

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Biden will hold conference calls with elected officials from across the country as part of his effort, the White House said. Separately, Cabinet officials will hold meetings with organizations to discuss gun-violence prevention.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan will meet with education groups, parents and teachers. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will meet with mental-health advocates. Other senior White House staff members will meet with medical groups, community organizations and advocates for children and families to discuss gun violence, the White House said.
“Soon after” the meetings, according to the White House, Biden will pass his task force’s recommendations on to Obama, who will then release a set of proposals for reducing gun violence and urge movement to enact those proposals.

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday said Biden’s effort was designed to “get input” from a spectrum of interests.
“As the president said, he doesn’t want to prejudge any recommendations that any stakeholder might present,” Carney said.
While Obama’s public comments suggest the focus of Biden’s task force will be on gun-control measures, he has also spoken of the need to examine mental health and the role violent entertainment has played in a series of gun massacres.

All of those issues have been at the forefront of a series of shootings that have been a grim hallmark of Obama’s years at the White House.
A lone gunman found to have a mental illness killed six people and gravely wounded former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) two years ago Tuesday at a “meet the lawmaker” event in Tucson.
Giffords and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, on Tuesday announced the formation of a political action committee aimed at reducing gun violence.
Over the summer, another lone gunman, James Holmes, killed 12 people at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater playing the latest Batman movie.

In court this week, a federal agent testified that Holmes legally bought nearly 6,300 rounds of ammunition, two Glock .40-caliber pistols, a .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle and a 12-guage shotgun, according to a report from ABC News.

Questions about Newtown killer Adam Lanza’s mental state have also been raised, though much about his background remains unclear. Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semiautomatic rifle that his mother had obtained legally.

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and Entertainment Software Association, which represents video-game makers, did not respond to requests for comment on whether they would attend the Biden meetings.

Carney said Tuesday that Biden continued to “informally brief the president on the progress” of his efforts, and plans “many more” meetings and conversations before presenting his recommendations to the president.

“The vice president at the president’s request is overseeing a process that is engaging a variety of stakeholders — organizations and individuals — to look broadly at the problem of gun violence in America, and to consider actions that could be taken at both the legislative level and elsewhere,” Carney said.


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[WARFstradamus]

The penultimate of the surname of Prophet
Will take ELVIS Thursday for his day and rest...
He will wander because of a frantic head,
And delivering a great people from subjection

[ELVIS]

WHITE HOUSE THREATENS 'EXECUTIVE ORDERS' ON GUNS

[jhale667]

Jon Fugelsang rules.