The Gun Control Thread

[Nickdfresh]

Lame. Everybody knew Reagan was paranoid Commie-hating fuckwit Nazi bag of wind. Notice how he specifically says "AK-47"???

If people had M-16's this speech would have never had happened.

A.) Reagan had many, many faults. But he also negotiated with the Soviets despite his irresponsibly harsh rhetoric and freedom loving soaring platitudes...

B.) In the late 1980's, the AK-47 type weapons were the most notorious guns used by gangs...

[Headly1984]

The AK is an assault rifle...

ok great - we agree assault rifles are not machine guns and therefore the Ronnie quote is not applicable for NYS Safe Act banning assault rifles, which are not machine guns and are semi-auto

Which is why 'we' don't send troops into combat with rifles, rather machine guns ..

- well, not to get too technical, cause I aint military,

..but my military friend explained to me fully auto anything wastes ammo & is hard to control - so even the machine guns in the armed forces are not full speed auto machine guns any longer either.. rather short bursts with ea. trigger pull .. to maintain ammo and stability / accuracy

back to my back yard NYS - my remmington 11-87 has much faster trigger action than my old AR-15 & at the NYS Fair state police demonstration area - where an officer with a mic behind glass demo's NYSP techniques with fire arms...- the shotgun is their weapon of choice for clearing a room - which begs the question

why ban a semi auto rifle ?

because it is called an assault rifle ? or because it has a pistol grip ? or a removable magazine ? my 10/22 has a 10 round removable magazine but no pistol grip so it is legal ...but not to carry more than 7 rds any longer .. so it is a 7/22 lol !!

A person in NYS can still buy and own a .50 cal BMG bolt action that would be able to penetrate big things - but that is ok - while little .223's are too bad for ny'rs

silly feel good legislation

[BigBadBrian]

Here's the list of 120 assault weapons Feinstein's bill would completely outlaw. Doesn't the stupid cunt realize there are easy ways for manufacturers to dodge her idiotic law? That is, if it's passed...which it won't be.

[BigBadBrian]

I stand corrected...there's over 150 firearms on Feinstein's ban list. Here's a better listing than the one I previously posted:



List of Firearms Prohibited by Name

Rifles: All AK types, including the following:

AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM,
MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-
47, VEPR, WASR-10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco
56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS;

All AR types, including the following:

AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7,
Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster
XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch
MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516
rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;
Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter;
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL,
LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT-9;
Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and
HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and
Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR-48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical
Rife M-14/20CF;

All Thompson rifles, including the following:

Thompson M1SB, Thompson
T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D,
Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5,
Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini
Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78;
Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

Pistols: All AK-47 types, including the following:

Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol,
HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol,
Yugo Krebs Krink pistol;

All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR-15
pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol,
Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA
SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP-9 and MP-45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec
AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9, and TEC-DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol;

The following MAC types: MAC-10, MAC-11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA
Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11, Velocity
Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre;

All Thompson types, including the following:
Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.


Shotguns: Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the
following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01,
IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika;
Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

[Seshmeister]

ok great - we agree assault rifles are not machine guns and therefore the Ronnie quote is not applicable for NYS Safe Act banning assault rifles, which are not machine guns and are semi-auto

Which is why 'we' don't send troops into combat with rifles, rather machine guns ..

- well, not to get too technical, cause I aint military,

..but my military friend explained to me fully auto anything wastes ammo & is hard to control - so even the machine guns in the armed forces are not full speed auto machine guns any longer either.. rather short bursts with ea. trigger pull .. to maintain ammo and stability / accuracy

It occurs to me that maybe the one thing that full auto is good for is shooting into crowded places like classrooms or movie theatres at short range.

Apart from the odd occasion like at My Lai, most of the time the military won't be in that situation.

[DONNIEP]

I know this is kinda off topic, but I sat thru Piers Pussy's show last nite. What a sanctimonious prick that guy is. I respect everyone's opinion on the gun control issue - I think this thread should be read by everybody in Washington actually. But that dude is a douche. I honestly believe he thinks this is his Walter Cronkite/Wolf Blitzer/Aaron Brown moment. Talk about a boring fuck.

[ELVIS]

In that light you should go back and watch Alex Jones tear him a new asshole...

[ELVIS]

[jacksmar]

[ELVIS]

Oh, that's just conspiracy, jack...

Nothing to see here...

Obama just wants to keep us safe...

[Nickdfresh]

ok great - we agree assault rifles are not machine guns and therefore the Ronnie quote is not applicable for NYS Safe Act banning assault rifles, which are not machine guns and are semi-auto

I didn't post the Ronnie pic re. the proposed NYS gun ban(s). I posted it to counter the pic out of context of him by another poster...

Which is why 'we' don't send troops into combat with rifles, rather machine guns ..

- well, not to get too technical, cause I aint military,

Actually we send troops into combat with a whole host of rifles and machine-guns. The typical soldier/airman/marine/sailor/coast guardsman carries an assault rifle typically as a "personal weapon."

..but my military friend explained to me fully auto anything wastes ammo & is hard to control - so even the machine guns in the armed forces are not full speed auto machine guns any longer either.. rather short bursts with ea. trigger pull .. to maintain ammo and stability / accuracy

I've stated as much in this thread, which is why the NRA inspired arguments about them just being mean-looking-sporting rifles are sort of bullshit.

back to my back yard NYS - my remmington 11-87 has much faster trigger action than my old AR-15 & at the NYS Fair state police demonstration area - where an officer with a mic behind glass demo's NYSP techniques with fire arms...- the shotgun is their weapon of choice for clearing a room - which begs the question

Shotguns are used by the military to clear rooms and open up locked doors. But they operate as a team with members augmenting with assault rifles or submachine-guns and snipers depending on the mission...

why ban a semi auto rifle ? because it is called an assault rifle ? or because it has a pistol grip ? or a removable magazine ? my 10/22 has a 10 round removable magazine but no pistol grip so it is legal ...but not to carry more than 7 rds any longer .. so it is a 7/22 lol !!

Because they are derivatives of weapons that were designed specifically to maximize a soldiers effectiveness in realistic combat conditions, and are generally useless for anything else outside comical propaganda for insecure men trying to justify how they can use them to take out drywall. The AR-15 was built solely to compete with and replace the M-14 as a personal weapon for U.S. combat troops in order to increase short range firepower and to produce a weapon that was cheaper and easier to mass produce than the M-14 was...

A person in NYS can still buy and own a .50 cal BMG bolt action that would be able to penetrate big things - but that is ok - while little .223's are too bad for ny'rs

silly feel good legislation

No one should own a Barrett or any large caliber rifle unless they're a vetted collector of military arms. But a .50 cal. bolt action rifle isn't all that useful in a mass shooting anyways.

And your criticizing legislation for its double-standards and why it shouldn't passed rather than how it could be improved...

[Nickdfresh]

It occurs to me that maybe the one thing that full auto is good for is shooting into crowded places like classrooms or movie theatres at short range.

Apart from the odd occasion like at My Lai, most of the time the military won't be in that situation.

True. And "assault rifle" type weapons can be relatively easily converted to a "selective fire" automatic capable weapon. Just ask some Mexicans...

[Nickdfresh]

I know this is kinda off topic, but I sat thru Piers Pussy's show last nite. What a sanctimonious prick that guy is. I respect everyone's opinion on the gun control issue - I think this thread should be read by everybody in Washington actually. But that dude is a douche. I honestly believe he thinks this is his Walter Cronkite/Wolf Blitzer/Aaron Brown moment. Talk about a boring fuck.

I think if you read this thread, you'll find that those that agree with Piers on this issue and think Alex Jones is a psychotic, frothing fuckwit bag of wind, filled with bullshit, nonsensical aphorisms and red herrings, agree that Piers is a bit of a cunt...

[Nickdfresh]

Oh, that's just conspiracy, jack...

Nothing to see here...

Obama just wants to keep us safe...

Paranoid jackoff fantasies...

The Syrian military was "ordered to fire" on their largely unarmed civilian population, and many rebelled and formed their own Army called the FSA and are now winning the conflict against a real "tyrannical despot," unlike the fantasy one so reviled in American gun propaganda. The sort of actual fact and historical precedent they often ignore while making up revisionist history about "the Japanese not invading America because all of the gun owning 'Cletuses' inspiring fear in the Imperial Japanese Army". Just another oft repeated lie for the historically ignorant...

[DONNIEP]

A bit of a cunt? He's a complete twat