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Well Hollywood movies are entertainment. Period. The problem is people are too stupid to see them as otherwise. As far as a movie art project goes Stone did a good job. I liked the casting.
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Well that's why Oliver Stone got paid the big bucks. He was a good movie maker. It's art. Artists take artistic license. Most accurate historians are lousy artists and the public want to be entertained. The dog and pony show always will win in movie ticket sales. It's about putting butts in theater seats and selling the videos. It's not about educating anyone.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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And then if you point out that the Zapruder and Nix films show the back of Kennedy's head intact after the head shot was fired and you point out that the autopsy photos show a small entrance wound at the back of the head, contrarians will automatically say "well, clearly this shows the autopsy photos AND the Zapruder/Nix films were altered aftre the fact."
Well, wait a minute, who altered them and how were they altered?
"They" did it.
Regarding what you said about intellectual dishonesty, there are enough odd circumstances surrounding the whole biz and various 'six degrees of separation' relationships to make it seem that there is something that wasn't there. But I'd have to agree that more than a few of the more prominent pro-conspiracy authors/pundits (Robert Groden and Jim Marrs spring to mind) have been intellectually dishonest to the point where I don't doubt they believe there was a conspiracy, but too much of their respective theories involve pounding intellectual square pegs into round holes to prove this was the case.
Probably the best-known example is Oliver Stone's movie JFK, where when one really starts examining the backstory and sources of Stone's information used in the film, it just collapses as the bunk house of cards the Garrison investigation was. Not just the liberties Stone took with condensing events, creating composite characters and fabricating scenes that never happened, either.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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See, Stone always fobs off the same childish response to those questioning the veracity of his sources and conclusions re: JFK the movie - "I'm a filmmaker and I don't have a responsibility to the accuracy of my sources as much as I have a responsibility to entertain the audience."
Well, no, if you're gonna make a movie about the Kennedy assassination and claim to be offering an "alternative myth or reality about what happened, just as the Warren Commission was one myth about what happened" then it's just plain silly not to expect people to pick apart what you chose to put in the movie as far characters and the facts as you saw them. Stone seems to think that as a filmmaker he has the license to speculate on the Kennedy assassination to whatever degree he wanted without being called out on such assertions as Clay Shaw being involved, or Shaw knowing Ferrie and Oswald. [Stone] created a composite character to assert that Ferrie, Oswald and Shaw had discussed the assassination beforehand, yet fails to point out that the ONLY witness Garrison had (Perry Russo) to make that claim did so under hypnotic suggestion and later recanted that such an event took place. And this is just ONE instance of Stone outright fabricating (or lying) in the name of 'creative license'. I'm not gonna go on and point out every instance of this happening in the flick, but this was far from an isolated incident.
Stone HAS made quite a few great movies, although after U-Turn I find his stuff pretty bland. As a movie, JFK is an interesting flick. If one sees it without being aware of the actual events and Stone's sources, it may seem to make a compelling case for a conspiracy. Once one does a bit of homework, it's not even close.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I made the analogy before but it's like looking at a puddle and saying 'wow what are the chances of that water being the exact same shape as the hole.
If you look at anything closely enough including your day today there will be all sorts of coincidences and strangeness.
I only ever went to the club I met the SM at once as did she - the one in the Trainspotting movie. It was a last minute decision on a Wednesday night based on a bunch of unlikely shit. We just happened to sit at adjacent seats, her friend just happened to disappear, my pal just happened to go and fuck some girl on the dance floor.
The conspiracy theorist approach to that is to say that because this was a one in ten thousand thing to happen there must have been some government plot for us to have our kids.
Shit happens, there are an infinite number of possibilities and when there are it becomes likely that unlikely things will happen routinely and that scares people.
Evidence and the scientific method is all we have that works and unfashionable and unexciting as it is, just because the Warren committee was a bit shit doesn't mean that it wasn't a big conspiracy...Comment
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This is the thing - he was saying that making JFK meant that 'They' had set out to ruin his career.
So you look at IMDB.
He writes Scarface then directs and or writes Platoon, The Doors, Born on the Fourth of July, Talk Radio and Wall Street.
He then does JFK followed by Heaven & Earth, Natural Born Killers, Nixon, U Turn, Any Given Sunday, Alexander, World Trade Centre and W.
There are a few problems with his argument mainly that his later movies are on the whole clearly not as good but also if the CIA were trying to stop him would he even get to make just as many big movies as his contemporary directors and also have a couple of successes?
Hollywood nonsense...Comment
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Oh PLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEZE! Stone is a hack. Always has been, always will be. He only nod to any sort of true accreditation was his screen writing in Scarface in which De Palma directed. When stone ventured out on his own with The Doors you just knew he made tripe movies. The man has no latent behind the lens as he did the typewriter.Comment
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The dumbocrats roots go all the way back to slavery and the KKK, they started the first war trying to hold onto it, one of their dipshit followers even assassinated a president over it.
so whats your point ?Comment
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