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The limo was refurbished and actually was in service for 13 more years. First how creepy must it have been to ride in it again and secondly why the hell would they still put a US president in a freaking convertible again let alone that specific one.Comment
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All I'm saying is take a step back, look at all the evidence and make a balanced decision on the probability.
Don't read one of the 5000 books and take it at face value when it ignores all the evidence that doesn't fit.
Also remember that if something happens which is either a fuck up or a massively detailed plot the chance that it is a fuck up is a lot more likely.
Particularly if the government is involved and even more so if it is something that hasn't happened before.Comment
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Simple is usually true and why citing every coincidence as part of a conspiracy is fruitless. For example not examining Kennedy's back is consistent with protecting what was at the time still a health secret about Kennedy. Bust was in Dallas, yes travel logs confirm but he was there on dozens of occasions. So on and so on...
There is nothing simple or physically possible about a bullet traveling 84 yards on a 50 degree angle, reversing to an upward trajectory, traveling 2.25 to the left, then flattening its trajectory exiting cleaning, then causing 5 more wounds and a second person. This bullet did so while leaving no evidence of exiting and the exam of the wound found it to be shallow. So what probability are you assigning to that?
Exam of the body is one of the central pieces of evidence in any murder. That physical evidence does not support the single gunmen and the probabilities of physics dictate the magic bullet is not feasible. If no magic bullet how does the balance of evidence make the depository the sole source of shots?
Now taking the conclusion of the evidence pointing to more than one shooter and assigning that to a political movement 50 years later is stretching it beyond the evidence. But it also stretching physics and evidence to say three bullets from a lone gunmen.Comment
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Your position is close to where I used to be and the Occams Razor approach is usually the correct one.
A reason I'm now with the sole shooter thing is that the magic bullet to me is a lot less unlikely than someone else just choosing that same moment to shoot at Kennedy.
Oswald was a shooter and hugely unlikely to be part of a conspiracy.
That and Ruby being a fruitcake.
Plus all the tons of evidence that the conspiracy people never mention because it doesn't fit.
Seeing all the bullshit conspiracy crap that went on with 9-11 made me go back and look at JFK again - it's all the same highly selective evidence building supposition on top of supposition.Comment
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Something that is not particularly unusual...
I have no idea what this means, it just sounds like nitpicking gibberish...The primary recipient of that bullet Gov. Connally has stated he was shot after Kennedy, that simply put the time difference is just too long to believe. He testified he had no doubt he was hit with a seperate bullet and the holes in his clothes and body are consistent with a clean bullet and not a damaged bullet. If 4 shots the timeline does not support the conclusion. The lone gunman also fails to explain bullet damage to the windshield, the windshield frame, plus the accidental bystander who also states the bullet that hit at his feet came from elsewhere. Three bullets simply do not match the physical evidence and more than three destroys the timeline.
There's no question that JFK would never have worn anything that overly restricted movement, he was all about projecting strength and vitality. Again, this seems all assumptive and speculative. As for the head-wound, it was on the rear SIDE of the skull. If the bullet blew apart on impact inside of his head, the wounds are very consistent with a hollowing out effect and the shattering of the skull. You can't have it both ways. You can't talk about "full metal jacket bullets" exploding, then offer arguments based on the "entry vs. exit wound" arguments. Kennedy's wound was essentially both and entry and exit wound based on the angle of the hit and the characteristic of the high velocity Carcano round...The motion of Kennedy's body is misinterpreted by both conspiracy and lone gunmen theories. Kennedy's back brace which he was wearing was extremely stiff and alters how he body moves. The P&T clip is correct in regard movement sans back brace. It is also correct that the crater in the melon is on the opposite side of the entry point.
The crater wound on Kennedy was on the back of his head not the front. They didn't intend to but holding up that melon actually damages the Oswald was alone theory.Comment
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Complete and utter bullshit! Read my responses! An AR-15/M-16 round was also a full metal jacket, and they were known for fragmenting and even exploding at short ranges. The 6.5mm Carcano round was also a somewhat ballistically unstable, high velocity bullet. The full metal jackets have fuckall to do with it and there are numerous full metal jacketed military rounds known to have severe ballistic wounding effects not unlike "dum dum" ammunition. The Nazi German SS massacred an entire unit of British soldiers in France, 1940, because the commander believed they were using dirty, dum dum ammunition against his troopers during a brief farmhouse siege. In fact, the Brits were using standard .303 "full metal jacket" ammo that sometimes broke apart on impact...Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-29-2013, 11:30 AM.Comment
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Well... in all fairness, Oswald didn't have much of an opportunity to tell his story at all.
At least not to you mortals. While I, on the other horn, have heard his story, Jack Ruby's story, George DeMohrenschildt's story, Arlen Specter's story, Jerry Ford's story, and pretty much everyone else involved.... except for the guy who supervised the whole thing, as he's not here yet.
Naturally, I have also talked to JFK himself, but of course he didn't see much, from his vantage point.... except for knowing that he caught one bullet in the throat, and then another one in the forehead, which blew out a chunk of his skull. After that, he understandably wasn't aware of all that much.Last edited by Satan; 11-29-2013, 06:41 PM.Eternally Under the Authority of Satan
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Dude...
You're not really the devil...
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If there was a conspiracy with multiple shooters in multiple locations as part of the plot, and the object was to frame Oswald as a lone assassin, this makes no sense on the face of it for the simple reason that multiple shooters in multiple locations leaves the door open for multiple chances of eyewitnesses to detect such shots. If Oswald was an unknowing patsy or dupe, then the success of such a frame-up would be contingent on having Oswald remain somewhere at the time of the shots that wasn't on the 6th floor (so Oswald wouldn't see whoever was shooting from there) and also wasn't in view of anyone else who could later claim that Oswald was with them or in their sight at the time the shots were fired. In this scenario, there would be no way for the conspirators to prevent Oswald from leaving the building to watch the motorcade. There would also be no way of controlling others working at the Texas School Book Depository from not wandering onto the 6th floor if the scenario is that someone else who wasn't working there fired the shots from there. It is also curious that Oswald was the only person who worked at the Texas School Book Depository who left work after the assassination not to return, and told nobody there that he was leaving.
Oswald lied to the police about owning a rifle or a pistol. He initially refused to tell them his real name. He drew his pistol on police as they were arresting him at the Texas theater with the intent to shoot. What is one to make of these things?
According to all the witnesses interviewed by various law enforcement agencies and news outlets at the time of the assassination (not taking into account how some people i.e. Jean Hill gradually changed their stories over the years in subsequent recountings), the overwhleming percentage (higher than 85%) thought all the shots originated from behind the limousine. The remaining 15% were divided pretty much evenly between those thinking some (not all) of the shots may have come from the knoll area and those who weren't sure where the shots were fired from. The same overwhleming percentage claimed to have heard three shots fired. Several witnesses saw a man with a rifle in the 6th floor sniper's nest prior to the shots, although nobody saw the man actually firing. One witness also saw a rifle barrel being withdrawn back into that same window after the shots stopped. All of these witnesses made this known to Dallas police at the time of the event. Contrast this with nobody at the time of the event making similar claims about the grassy knoll area or anywhere else.
Looking at the Zapruder film, after frame 312 the rear of Kennedy's head is clearly visible after the head snap. All that is seen there is hair, as opposed to the side of his head from the earline forward toward (but not including) the ridge of the brow. Where exactly is this massive, gaping head wound in the back of Kennedy's head that some of the Parkland trauma surgeons who worked on Kennedy describe ten or more years later as seeing (odd, since all them admit that Kennedy wasn't turned over in a manner that would have made such a view possible during their lifesaving efforts to begin with)?Last edited by Terry; 11-29-2013, 09:12 PM.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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