WTF Kansas....and Arizona.....and Missouri.....and Georgia....

[cadaverdog]

Some judge would just declare it unconstitutional if this legislation passed anyway. Several states passed laws against same sex marriage by a vote of the people and one by one some judge overruled them.

[FORD]

Some judge would just declare it unconstitutional if this legislation passed anyway. Several states passed laws against same sex marriage by a vote of the people and one by one some judge overruled them.

Which was the correct decision, according to the Constitution.

[cadaverdog]

There's no laws on the books as far as I know making it illegal for members of the same sex to live together so other than the legal ramifications why do they need to be legally married anyway? Pass a law that says any two people can form a legal partnership reguardless of sex or sexual orientation and take the morality out of it altogether. Two hetero men or women living together and sharing assets should have the same rights as everbody else.

[cadaverdog]

Which was the correct decision, according to the Constitution.

According to one persons interpretation of the constitution is the real reality.

[cadaverdog]

A law could pass with a unanimous vote of the people and one judge can overturn it if it doesn't fit their agenda. That should be ruled unconstitutional.

[FORD]

91% of the American people supposedly "approved" of the Chimp in a poll taken in late September 2001. All 91% of them were wrong.

There's a poll right now claiming 80% of Democrats support Hillary Clinton for President, yet I live in a solid Democratic neighborhood in a Blue state, and I cannot find a single person who would vote for her in a primary. Most of them probably would in November, but only in the "lesser of two evils" sense. Certainly not in a primary or caucus though.

So you can throw numbers around all you want, but that's not what matters.

What matters is the rule of law. And the supreme law of this land is the Constitution. Which reads......

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[cadaverdog]

I guess for the people by the people means nothing anymore. You overturn a law voted for by the people and accuse them of discrimination if they don't like it. I'm sure that's what the writers of the constitution were shooting for.

[FORD]

There's no laws on the books as far as I know making it illegal for members of the same sex to live together so other than the legal ramifications why do they need to be legally married anyway? Pass a law that says any two people can form a legal partnership reguardless of sex or sexual orientation and take the morality out of it altogether. Two hetero men or women living together and sharing assets should have the same rights as everbody else.

Uhhh.... what do you think a marriage license IS?

There is no "morality" involved in marriage licenses. You can choose to have a judge marry you, or a priest, or a rabbi, or a buddhist monk, or an African witch doctor, or Captain Stupid on the Love Boat, but that's all just for show. You still get the same piece of paper.

But you cannot have one piece of paper for hetero couples and a different piece of paper for homo couples, because then you're right back to separate drinking fountains and all that kind of bullshit. Churches should be free to do whatever ceremonies they want, but legally there should be no difference between a straight marriage and a gay one.

[cadaverdog]

Uhhh.... what do you think a marriage license IS?

There is no "morality" involved in marriage licenses. You can choose to have a judge marry you, or a priest, or a rabbi, or a buddhist monk, or an African witch doctor, or Captain Stupid on the Love Boat, but that's all just for show. You still get the same piece of paper.

But you cannot have one piece of paper for hetero couples and a different piece of paper for homo couples, because then you're right back to separate drinking fountains and all that kind of bullshit. Churches should be free to do whatever ceremonies they want, but legally there should be no difference between a straight marriage and a gay one.

Who says you need a piece of paper to get married? you need a piece of paper to get legally married not married. What about polygamists? Where's their rights?

[Nitro Express]

91% of the American people supposedly "approved" of the Chimp in a poll taken in late September 2001. All 91% of them were wrong.

There's a poll right now claiming 80% of Democrats support Hillary Clinton for President, yet I live in a solid Democratic neighborhood in a Blue state, and I cannot find a single person who would vote for her in a primary. Most of them probably would in November, but only in the "lesser of two evils" sense. Certainly not in a primary or caucus though.

So you can throw numbers around all you want, but that's not what matters.

What matters is the rule of law. And the supreme law of this land is the Constitution. Which reads......

I think that stat on Hillary is rigged. Most the Democrats (Working for a living wage union types) I know seem to view the party as selling them out and Hillary as a big fat thighed fake. I think you are right. Nobody wants that psychotic bitch in power. I mean look, you have the Obama Administration trying to sneak onto that pacific trade treaty. The even have the Teamsters Union unhappy and fighting them on it. The current Democrat party will sell your job out as bad as a Koch Brother Republican will. There is no current difference.

[FORD]

I guess for the people by the people means nothing anymore. You overturn a law voted for by the people and accuse them of discrimination if they don't like it. I'm sure that's what the writers of the constitution were shooting for.

If civil rights were put up for popular vote, most of the Confederate states would still be segregated. Most of the fools going crazy over same sex marriage would be fine with that too, of course

[cadaverdog]

Nobody wants that psychotic bitch in power.

That's something I will agree on. Bitch couldn't even control her husband's penis how the hell's she going to run this country?

[Nitro Express]

Who says you need a piece of paper to get married? you need a piece of paper to get legally married not married. What about polygamists? Where's their rights?

I tell people if they want to legalize non-traditional marriage they better get ready for more polygamy. It only works if you have more females than males. Unless you have the males killed off in a war or something male and female populations tend to be equal. What happens is the guys with the power and money keep getting younger trophy wives and the poor young guys have the young women stollen from them. Then they often get booted from the pack. You end up with a Colorado City type situation or what you often see in some middle east countries. The rich sugar daddies steal the prime women. Who wants to open the door to that bullshit?

[cadaverdog]

If civil rights were put up for popular vote, most of the Confederate states would still be segregated. Most of the fools going crazy over same sex marriage would be fine with that too, of course

Congtatulations, you just stereotyped the entire south to fit your agenda. People in the south are all racists that hate homos. It's been that way since the first cracker moved south.

[FORD]

Congtatulations, you just stereotyped the entire south to fit your agenda. People in the south are all racists that hate homos. It's been that way since the first cracker moved south.

How many of these states immediately moved to disrupt voting after Fat Tony Scalia and his 4 BCE pals gutted the Voting Rights act of 1964?

Now stop trying to derail the thread, Socky.