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but it's true that jesus was the first real rock star, i've got all these albums
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The differnce between Heaven and Hell....
You don't have to believe in anything to end up here. Come on down!
Eternally Under the Authority of Satan
Originally posted by SockfuckerComment
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Not believing in God does not mean a Lord Of The Flies existence. It means trusting your own judgment and taking everything with a grain of salt until you have more to go on than blind faith.Originally posted by Viking
It's like this: let's say that I believe in the Bible, Heaven, Hell, the whole enchilada, and you don't. Now, If YOU'RE right - it's all a bunch of superstitious bunk - then the only way we're BOTH going to know is when we both reach thermodynamic ambiance (READ: room temperature). And then nobody's going to be around to gloat, will they? BUT - BUT - let's just assume, for a moment, that I'm right. That there is an Almighty Creator, and if we want more than this miserable existence, there are a few (logical) ground rules we have to follow. Now, if I AM right, then when I die, my soul goes to a Much Better Place. YOU have some 'splaining to do at The Pearly Gates. Now, either way, I think I'm in a win-win situation. Even if YOU'RE right, at least I'll be remembered as someone that didn't run around living some Lord Of The Flies existence, and I can live with that.
I won't have any explaining to do if there is a God/Heaven/Pearly Gates. The creator would love me for who/what I am. If anything, I think a higher power would be thrilled to see one of his creations try to think outside of the box and do something a bit off the beaten path. It is easy to be a follower but tough to be a leader.
It would be great if there is a God but I don't really see any proof of it...yet
Mezro...I respect your right to believe what you want Viking as I'm sure you do mine...Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!Comment
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-Be nice to me now,i maybe JESUS's descendant!!!!:DOriginally posted by FORD
Now wouldn't that just fuck up the Neocon shitbags' day - the possibility that descendants of Jesus Christ would be FRENCH.
I suppose they would say that explains why He didn't overthrow the Roman rule of Israel
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little french dreamer hate those Van Hagar backstage party!!
http://deliajolie.spaces.live.com/Comment
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Having a guy try to "shock you" out of a faith that you've been taught (had forced upon you) since childhood, in one sitting, would only scare/confuse and make people want to be Confirmed more. Most people choose safety/the known over conflict/the unknown.Originally posted by Ally_Kat
You choose if you are Confirmed or not. They made us go to a special theology class after school. Sat there and had this guy rip apart all our answers to theological questions and prove over and over again how there was no God and all that. Afterwards you had the option if you wanted to receive the sacrament or not.
Why do you have to be Confirmed at all to believe in God? Do you think receiving the sacrament would make a God love you any more than he/she/it would otherwise?
Mezro...if there is a God you sure as hell don't need organized religion to find he/she/it...Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!Comment
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Sounds a bit like Pascal's wager to me.Originally posted by Viking
It's like this: let's say that I believe in the Bible, Heaven, Hell, the whole enchilada, and you don't. Now, If YOU'RE right - it's all a bunch of superstitious bunk - then the only way we're BOTH going to know is when we both reach thermodynamic ambiance (READ: room temperature). And then nobody's going to be around to gloat, will they? BUT - BUT - let's just assume, for a moment, that I'm right. That there is an Almighty Creator, and if we want more than this miserable existence, there are a few (logical) ground rules we have to follow. Now, if I AM right, then when I die, my soul goes to a Much Better Place. YOU have some 'splaining to do at The Pearly Gates. Now, either way, I think I'm in a win-win situation. Even if YOU'RE right, at least I'll be remembered as someone that didn't run around living some Lord Of The Flies existence, and I can live with that.Comment
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Those who distort the words of Allah and His prophets unto their own purposes will be tormented for everlasting.Comment
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It wasn't just one sitting, it was over a year.Originally posted by Mezro
Having a guy try to "shock you" out of a faith that you've been taught (had forced upon you) since childhood, in one sitting, would only scare/confuse and make people want to be Confirmed more. Most people choose safety/the known over conflict/the unknown.
Why do you have to be Confirmed at all to believe in God? Do you think receiving the sacrament would make a God love you any more than he/she/it would otherwise?
Mezro...if there is a God you sure as hell don't need organized religion to find he/she/it...
Confirmation is a sacrament like Baptism, except with Baptism your parents are making the choice for you to be in the religion and not you. With Confirmation, you become an adult in the Church and choose yourself to participate in this faith. It's not that God'll love me more or that I need it to believe in God. It's me saying, "I pick this religion out of all the ones I've learned about over the span of my education. When you see me in Church it's on my own accord and not my parents dragging me to teach me their faith. This is now the official faith of Ally."
And no, it didn't want people to be Confirmed more. Half our class decided not to go thru with the sacrament. A couple of them found other religions that they preferred and for some, they deicided they didn't believe in a God.Roth Army MilitiaComment
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Did they convert to Islam?Originally posted by Ally_Kat
A couple of them found other religions that they preferredComment
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Hmm, gotta go over there and give a rant or two!Originally posted by Seshmeister
Pete you have just gone up in my opinion hugely...
You aint someone until you've been banned form the Links...:DComment
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There's this guy on yahoo messenger from Pakistan who is trying to convert me to Islam. Found out I was a Christian and apparently that's not a good thing.Originally posted by Osama Bin Laden
Did they convert to Islam?
Keeps telling me that I will perish unless I accept Allah's message. Told him his Allah and my God were the same dude. That threw him for a loop.
He's really adament on converting me. That and he keeps talking about his wife and how it was arranged and how my future marriage for love will fail.
Interesting character.Roth Army MilitiaComment
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Got banned at the links after 6 postsOriginally posted by turboblues
Hmm, gotta go over there and give a rant or two!
Well, don't even know why I got there in the first place. Nothing interesting going on over there. Bunch of losers!!Comment
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God, Allah..whatever. DLR is the only god I know of!Comment
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Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Interesting character.
Offer to give him the hummer of his life if he shaves off his beard then don't do it. :D
“If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. BushComment
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Well obviously it's not new...Originally posted by Ally_Kat
hun, you do realize that this is nothing new. I was taught this long ago. It's just coming up recently and popularly because of that novel.
But how many people have had the education you did?
Your experience is interesting with the guy offering alternatives but to me that just reads like they were testing how good their 16 year brainwashing program was...
And for the record I think Vikings much lauded post is flawed because surely true faith is completely different from hedging your bets?
As I remember the bible says it doesn't matter how good a life you lead, if you don't truely believe then it's off to Sammy land when you die. I'm not sure who added that bit but I'm guessing the churches that got huge donations in the wills of frightened people over the years have thanked him for it.
Cheers!
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