Family 'Thanks' Bush for Death of Son

[Sgt Schultz]

Good God I need a beer.

Ever feel like you've said the same thing 100 times but the person refuses to listen?

I give up. For now.

Now since I'm a Wisconsinite maybe I'll have a Brandy Old Fashioned sweet this time......................

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Good God I need a beer.

Ever feel like you've said the same thing 100 times but the person refuses to listen?

Yep, every time I pop on this forum! LOL :p :p :p

[DrMaddVibe]

You're welcome.

Your son isn't any different that the patriots that took their hunting rifles off of their mantels and defeated the greatest army and navy the world had at it time. Your son is no different than the ones that fought back the British in 1812. Your son is no different that the ones that fought against each other to preserve the nation and states rights. Your son is no different that the ones that fought in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Desert Storm and now the others that gave the ultimate sacrifice in Enduring Freedom.

Your son was your hope to the future. He was part of you. Don't diminish what he did with the selfish need to garner a headline. It won't bring back your son. It will only tarnish his memory to others. Others that can't and won't be able to differentiate him from a political smear. He swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. He was trained. He knew what he was doing. Nobody forced him into this volunteer army. There is no draft forcing him, and thank goodness there isn't. If you don't want to be there, then you don't have to be.

[FORD]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
He swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Oh, the fucking irony of that statement........

[Sgt Schultz]

SCHULTZ – “I’m GLAD (seriously) that you agree that we should not cut and run out of Iraq, because Kerry and his party thinks we should and the terrorists and Baathists in Iraq know that.”
FORD – “Kerry has said no such thing. Neither has Edwards. The only Democrat who called for any sort of immediate withdrawal of US troops was Dennis Kucinich. And even he was only suggesting they be replaced with UN troops.”

They certainly have. They ARE putting a timeline on our withdrawal. ANY timeline or date of withdrawal gives the terrorists what they want – time to regroup and wait for that moment to renew their strikes. Any idiot who knows anything about military strategy knows that you cannot set an arbitrary deadline for troop withdrawal because you are playing right into the hands of your enemy.

SCHULTZ - “Like I said in an earlier post, he was doing his job as Commander in Chief – “connecting the dots” as the Dems insisted he do.”
FORD – “There were NEVER any "dots" connecting Saddam Hussein with 9-11-01.”

I never said there were, and neither has Bush. This is something the left can’t get through their thick heads. The administration knew and the 9/11 Commission confirmed that there were ties between al Queada and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq however no one has made the claim that Hussein was connected in any way to 9/11. But, since Hussein was working with the organization that DID mastermind 9/11 the correct decision was to act against Hussein also.

SCHULTZ – “The vast majority of Iraqis are glad we liberated their country.”
FORD – “Besides neocon rhetoric, what evidence do you have to support any of that?”

The population of Iraq is 25,374,691. If there was an uprising against U.S. forces, of even ½ of the population it would be a major, devastating war being waged blobk by block in ever city of Iraq and the U.S. would be suffering 1,000 dead every week, not every 1.5 years. Check out some of the many blogs of Iraqis now writing for evidence of their support for U.S. troops and their liberation of Iraq.
Iraq The Model
Healing Iraq
Iraq at a Glance
Iraq and Iraqis
Road of a Nation
The Mesopotamian
Hammorabi

[DrMaddVibe]

Thanks for making my point!

[Angel]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
You're welcome.

Your son isn't any different that the patriots that took their hunting rifles off of their mantels and defeated the greatest army and navy the world had at it time. Your son is no different than the ones that fought back the British in 1812.

Actually, 1812 the US attempted to invade Canada, they pretty much did not fight back, instead they got chased away. And we finished it off by burning down the Whitehouse.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by Angel
Actually, 1812 the US attempted to invade Canada, they pretty much did not fight back, instead they got chased away. And we finished it off by burning down the Whitehouse.

What?

You'd better go check the facts there. While we did march into Canada it was the BRITISH army that Hull met resistance with and the BRITISH that burned down the White House. However, the British got their royal asses kicked after the Treaty of Ghent at the Battle of New Orleans.

Get out...and STAY OUT!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
You're welcome.

Your son isn't any different that the patriots that took their hunting rifles off of their mantels and defeated the greatest army and navy the world had at it time. Your son is no different than the ones that fought back the British in 1812. Your son is no different that the ones that fought against each other to preserve the nation and states rights. Your son is no different that the ones that fought in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Desert Storm and now the others that gave the ultimate sacrifice in Enduring Freedom.

Your son was your hope to the future. He was part of you. Don't diminish what he did with the selfish need to garner a headline. It won't bring back your son. It will only tarnish his memory to others. Others that can't and won't be able to differentiate him from a political smear. He swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. He was trained. He knew what he was doing. Nobody forced him into this volunteer army. There is no draft forcing him, and thank goodness there isn't. If you don't want to be there, then you don't have to be.

LOL!

A couple of points on this...

The greatest army in the world at the time consisted of what 4000 troops in the US with ridiculously stretched supply lines?

Grenada...LMFAO!

20 000 US troops against um noone?

Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Warham
I wonder if this means that I can blame Kennedy, one of the Democrats' biggest heroes, for the 56,000 service men we lost in Vietnam who were not protecting our country or freedoms.

The most shocking thing about this depressing election is not that a country as rich and advanced as the US cannot produce a decent candidate for the second time running.

It's not that people could for a second time think that a guy like Bush is a good strong leader worthy of the job after him going absent on 9-11. Can you imagine Bush as mayor of New York going to the scene and nearly getting taken out as the towers came down? The guy who ran again like he always has but says 'bring it on' as long as he's fucking safely thousands of miles away?

It's not even that, most laughable of all, the spin doctors have somwhow managed to propogate the myth of Bush as the Texas 'John Wayne' cowboy. That cracks me up. The guy from the US aristocracy. The Yale man. Not even a Yale man. A 'buy a degree' Yale man who then goes off the rails and drinks and takes drugs for 20 years. Have you ever seen Bush ride a fucking horse?

This man of the people.

" People sometimes have to correct my English ? I knew I had a problem when Arnold Schwarzenegger started doing it. Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called "walking." Now and then I come across as a little too blunt and for that we can all thank the white-haired lady sitting right up there."

Give me a fucking break. He's a frontiersman? One of the good guys, fucking Shane, just a straight up go ahead middle American, while his maw and paw, simple folk, brought him up like Little House on the Prarie.

The paw who was head of the CIA and then president. Little 'W' who as he brought those cattle home up in the Northeast was given millions of dollars by good old maw and paw but accidently snorted them.

Fucking hell there are truely no better spin merchants than the guys that are running his campaign. You do realise that even presidents that have a brain don't write their speeches. Picture the scene when the advisor comes up with the Arnie line.

"Hell we need to do something about the 'retard factor'"

"I've got it!"

Anyway as I said the thing that really shocks me about the election is the fact that there seem to be a bunch of rational intelligent Americans out there that think the Vietnam war was
a) Winnable
b) Lost because of all those long haired hippy types protesting
c) A good idea.

I honestly thought that insane shit had long since gone. A war based on the insane premise of the domino effect and the inherent threat of that to the US?

Um...

How many countries went communist in Asia after Vietnam?

How did that damage the US?


If only more Republicans were like Sarge and could see through the bullshit.

This isn't fucking football guys, never give unconditional support to politicians.

This is real life.

Cheers!

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Sarge
Bad analogy.
A police officer pulling over a car and someone invading a foreign country with 145,000 troops is totally different.

IRAQ was not a threat to us.
Bin Laden was and is a direct threat to us. This guy killed 3,000 of our people on our soil but we put forth a half assed effort to try and get him.
Sadamm was doing the same thing he had been doing for years... running his mouth...

We were lied to. IRAQ was not a direct threat to us.
In the mean time we are waging a extended war in IRAQ that can't be won except with major American bloodshed and the initial target of the war on terror, Bin Laden runs free.


I, as with everyone who wears the uniform takes the risk of death when they take the oath.

There isn't anyone here who would be willing to send their loved ones to IRAQ.. to die..
And for what?

I am sure those familes are doing a lot of soul searching.
I don't blame the families of servicemembers one bit for questioning their child's death.
That is only normal.

Amen.

Funny how today we reflect on 9-11 and the so-called "War President". He's let REAL terrorists slip away because there was no profit while he lets Americans and Iraqi civilians die for profit, all in the name of the "War on Terror". It's disgusting.

What's even more disgusting is the man doing this got his daddy to make sure he didn't do any fighting himself!!

[Sgt Schultz]

Sheshmeister wrote; “It's not that people could for a second time think that a guy like Bush is a good strong leader worthy of the job after him going absent on 9-11. Can you imagine Bush as mayor of New York going to the scene and nearly getting taken out as the towers came down? The guy who ran again like he always has but says 'bring it on' as long as he's fucking safely thousands of miles away?”

No they do think that. Bush ran from nothing. If you knew anything you’d know that the Secret Service’s job is to protect the President and that is why he didn’t race back to Washington or NY minutes after the attack. For the system to work properly people of a democratic nation (and their enemies) need to know that democratically elected heads of state will be protected at all costs against assassination. Bush was in new York when it was still very dangerous to be there. Bush flew the F-102 – a demanding, difficult and often dangerous plane to fly. This took guts – period. “Bring it on” was an invitation to terrorists to engage OUR ARMY instead of our civilians. I wish you simpletons could get that through your heads.

Sheshmeister wrote; “It's not even that, most laughable of all, the spin doctors have somwhow managed to propogate the myth of Bush as the Texas 'John Wayne' cowboy. That cracks me up. The guy from the US aristocracy. The Yale man. Not even a Yale man. A 'buy a degree' Yale man who then goes off the rails and drinks and takes drugs for 20 years. Have you ever seen Bush ride a fucking horse?” “" People sometimes have to correct my English ? I knew I had a problem when Arnold Schwarzenegger started doing it. Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called "walking." Now and then I come across as a little too blunt and for that we can all thank the white-haired lady sitting right up there."

And if you think that people who vote for him are somehow duped and really believe this you are sadly mistaken. When Europeans don’t understand something about America they credit it to stupidity or gullibility. He’s throwing a bone to a few Texans, so what? It is YOU who are blinded by Hollywood and what you perceive as slick packaging which is lapped up by idiot Americans.

“Anyway as I said the thing that really shocks me about the election is the fact that there seem to be a bunch of rational intelligent Americans out there that think the Vietnam war was

No, as usual, you and your ilk don’t get it and never will unless you open your mind. I don’t believe, and most Americans don’t believe, that Lyndon B. Johnson’s War in Vietnam was a war we should have fought. Not necessary and way too costly in lives and treasure. I’ll let Robert F. Turner et al take over from here…………

“In May 1973 they [the peace protesters] persuaded Congress to make it illegal for the president to spend further money on military operations in Indochina.

Ironically, by that point South Vietnam and the United States had essentially won the war in South Vietnam. The Viet Cong had ceased to exist as a meaningful force by 1970, the Easter offensive of 1972 had been decisively blunted, and South Vietnam controlled every population center and most of the territory that had been in Communist hands or contested five years earlier. When the United States finally decided to fight the air war seriously in 1972, our POWs in Hanoi observed firsthand that Hanoi's will was broken.

Hanoi returned to the Paris talks immediately, and a peace accord was signed in less than a month. Four months later, oblivious to the realities of Indochina and succumbing to pressures from ignorant demonstrators, a partisan Congress snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by outlawing further U.S. resistance to communism in Indochina. In response, North Vietnamese premier Pham Van Dong gleefully announced that "the Americans won't come back now even if we offer them candy," and Hanoi sent virtually its entire army to invade and conquer its neighbors, in flagrant violation of the U.N. Charter. I still recall the anxiety of fleeing Saigon at the end of April 1975 during the final evacuation because an angry U.S. Congress had refused to authorize the president to rescue even the Americans still in Vietnam.

Most Vietnam "peace activists" no doubt still feel pride in having "ended the war." They simply don't realize that those whom they helped bring to power slaughtered more people in the first two years of "peacetime" following the "liberation" of Indochina than were killed during the previous 14 years of war, including an estimated two million in tiny Cambodia alone.

In his book, Giap clearly indicated that NVA troops were without sufficient supplies, and had been continually defeated time and again.

By 1968, NVA morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" '68 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap and the NVA viewed the Tet '68 offensive as a failure, they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a surrender.

Then, they heard Walter Cronkite (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet '68 offensive by the communist NVA and that the war in Vietnam was now "unwinnable". The North Vietnamese were also amazed at hearing that the US Embassy had been overrun, when, in reality, the NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--a handful of Viet Cong were killed on the Embassy lawn. Further reports indicated the riots and protesting on the streets of America.

According to Giap, these distorted reports were inspirational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, and eventually the protesters in American would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield. “

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
He swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

Yeah, but he didn't know that the greatest enemy to the United States is now holding it's highest office.

There is no draft forcing him, and thank goodness there isn't. If you don't want to be there, then you don't have to be.

That is utter ignorance. Sure, many of them volunteered... ...for the first go around.
But many have come back saying they felt exactly like they had been drafted, because their tour of duty kept getting extended, promises to them broken, and instead of relieving the troops, they just added more and reassigned the already battle-worn to new fronts...

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Yeah, but he didn't know that the greatest enemy to the United States is now holding it's highest office.



That is utter ignorance. Sure, many of them volunteered... ...for the first go around.
But many have come back saying they felt exactly like they had been drafted, because their tour of duty kept getting extended, promises to them broken, and instead of relieving the troops, they just added more and reassigned the already battle-worn to new fronts...

You are a silly little man, full of stupid ideas and sheer idiocy. Lunatics like you and FORD and DLR's Cock are the reason why the Democrats are going down in flames this November. Your inflammatory rhetoric is doing nothing but disgusting those sitting on the political fence. Carry on, you are doing a good job......moron.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Angel
Actually, 1812 the US attempted to invade Canada, they pretty much did not fight back, instead they got chased away. And we finished it off by burning down the Whitehouse.

Once again, I feel obligated to correct you on this. I've had to do this several times now Angel, both here and on DDRL. Canadian troops did no such thing as burn down the White House. British troops did. Canadian history is rather lacking or downright wrong, isn't it?