Pentagon Strike Bogus.

[Panamark]

Hi Guys, someone just emailed me this link. I read through the first page here and couldnt see it posted previously, if it has, Dr L, ELVIS or FORD feel free to close this..

http://members.iinet.net.au/~sperna/omgkool.swf

Shockwave film suggesting it wasnt a 757 that hit the Pentagon,
and offers several explanations as to why..

Just passing it on, I didnt create it, Im not trying to make a
politcal statement or anything. Just thought it looked like something
you guys would talk about in this thread..

[ELVIS]

Man, we have been over this bullshit countless times...

FORD and some ot the other tinfoil wearing freaks try to say it wasn't a plane...

Well, it was...

That link just gives me a blank page...

[Panamark]

Hmmmm

I think you may have to copy that link into your browsers address bar, Im not sure why its not launching from here ??

[Panamark]

Yup, that works, right click, copy and paste it into the address bar.
Like all shockwaves, it takes a minute or so to load.. Screen is
blank for about 30 secs..

Its interesting to watch. Does make you wonder..

[FORD]

There have been other websites on the subject, but this is the first I've seen of this video.

It's really very well done, and they present the facts of the event very well.

The "official stories" of 9-11 over all have many holes in them. The Pentagon story needs only one hole to discredit it, and that's a 16-foot wide hole that cannot possibly have been made by a Boeing 757.

Barbara Olson and the Raytheon employees supposedly on this flight are working for the BCE's "shadow government" somewhere underground in Virginia, you can bet on it.

[Big Train]

Posted by Ford:
Barbara Olson and the Raytheon employees supposedly on this flight are working for the BCE's "shadow government" somewhere underground in Virginia, you can bet on it.

DUDE< SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! I'm so sick of this bullshit. My mother is a secretary and she booked several people onto those planes in Boston. I can assure you, there not back in their lives, raising their kids, nor ever will be again. So don't through out some shit you THINK you know that came straight out of your ass or some other moron's ass. That's such a totally fucked, retarded statement I don't know where to begin. They say that truth hurts, and in this case it does, as those people are in the ground.

Nobody is working in a secret lair somewhere for the Supposed BCE. The PNAC manifesto you tought weekly (which I have read front to back mind you) has NOTHING to do with what your saying. You take two lines out of it and make your own religion on it. That's on the same level as David Koresh.

You need to shut your fucking mouth and think a little before you decide to speak or type any of this garbage.

[diamondD]

Yeah, but dare to mention something to him 2x and he dismisses you because we've heard it before. I've met FORD before and I don't think he would say this to you without being behind a keyboard.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
Posted by Ford:
Barbara Olson and the Raytheon employees supposedly on this flight are working for the BCE's "shadow government" somewhere underground in Virginia, you can bet on it.

DUDE< SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! I'm so sick of this bullshit. My mother is a secretary and she booked several people onto those planes in Boston. I can assure you, there not back in their lives, raising their kids, nor ever will be again. So don't through out some shit you THINK you know that came straight out of your ass or some other moron's ass. That's such a totally fucked, retarded statement I don't know where to begin. They say that truth hurts, and in this case it does, as those people are in the ground.

Nobody is working in a secret lair somewhere for the Supposed BCE. The PNAC manifesto you tought weekly (which I have read front to back mind you) has NOTHING to do with what your saying. You take two lines out of it and make your own religion on it. That's on the same level as David Koresh.

You need to shut your fucking mouth and think a little before you decide to speak or type any of this garbage.

Well SIEG HEIL to you too

Sorry, I'm not drinking the KOOL AID, and I'm not shutting up. The dimensions of a Boeing 757 can be seen here

Now how the Hell does a plane with those dimensions leave an almost perfectly symmetrical round hole through all 5 rings of the Pentagon?

Answer: IT CAN'T!! Not without completely shearing off the wings of said plane, and there were no wings, or wing parts, or the engines, which would be suspended from the wings, found at the Pentagon.

IT WAS NOT A GODDAMNED 757. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

BTW, who your mom booked on a flight in Boston is irelevant, since Flight 77 originated from Dulles airport in Washington DC.

[Big Train]

Ford, fuck you too pal.


I know you won't shut up, but HIGHLY DOUBT you would ever say anything in public. I am absolutely positive you would never say it to me. Which makes you a coward...but that's beside the point. OK, do you think I can find someone who hasn't seen their loved one since the day it hit the pentagon? I'm sure I can...whereas you are left with bullshit theories about what you "think" happened.

How do you know what CAN and CAN Not happen when flying a plane through a building a full speed? Tell me, I'd love to know when and where you got your degree in physics. The experts you bring out in article after article are so whacked out it's not funny.

[FORD]

Hey, I'm getting physical threats from a Busheep because I'm speaking out against the propaganda!!

Oh, no, we aren't sliding towards FASCISM in this country, not at all

BTW, there aren't too many people that intimidate me, and I doubt you're Shaquille O'Neal.

But that's beside the point. I'm talking the FUCKING TRUTH here, not some goddamned WWE match.

Again, there were NO PARTS of an airplane found anywhere near the Pentagon. If the body of said plane went through all 5 rings of the building, then the wings, along with the engines attached to them, had to go somewhere. They did not. Therefore, logic says that the wings weren't there to begin with, and that it was not a Boeing 757.

However, a cruise missile would fit the description of the damage done to the building, and would easily explain the precise targeting required to hit the Pentagon on the ground floor without hitting the ground, the guardrail, or even the highway near the complex, which would have all been likely, given the inexperience of the alleged Arab pilot.

Your blind loyalty to the BCE is interfering with rational thought. It is simply physically impossible for a Boeing 757, piloted by a hack, to have performed that "landing".

[Big Train]

No Ford, that has nothing to do with politics, I'd just like to pop you in the head for personal reasons, which I consider 9/11 to be. Not trying to intimidate, just telling you the truth.

But that is beside the point.

Consider this: If the jet fuel allowed the fire to rage hot enough in the world trade center to melt the structural steel holding up the building, don;t you think it would be hot enough to melt engine parts in the rubble? You know, logic and all...

Secondly, if it was a cruise missle, would not ANYONE have seen the exhaust plume going right into the building? You know security, people on the highway next to the Pentagon? Passersby on the street? Even if it was a RPG or SAM someone would have seen it no? The millions of people in the Metro area and not a SINGLE person saw anything out of the ordinary (except a plane coming in for landing)?

[Mezro]

Originally posted by FORD
There have been other websites on the subject, but this is the first I've seen of this video.

It's really very well done, and they present the facts of the event very well.

The "official stories" of 9-11 over all have many holes in them. The Pentagon story needs only one hole to discredit it, and that's a 16-foot wide hole that cannot possibly have been made by a Boeing 757.

I watched this for the first time over the weekend and shared it with a few of my Republican friends. They were shocked at how obvious it is that something was covered up.

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy freak but it raises many questions. For example: As the fire burns after impact why is there no wreckage in any of the pictures? I doubt an entire 757 vaporized upon impact.

Take a look if you haven't seen it:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

Mezro...I wonder what really hit the Pentagon...a missle...a smaller plane...Michael Moore...who knows...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
No Ford, that has nothing to do with politics, I'd just like to pop you in the head for personal reasons, which I consider 9/11 to be. Not trying to intimidate, just telling you the truth.

Then I suggest you do two things:

1) Blame the people responsible for 9-11 - and even if you still buy that crock of steaming shit called the official story, it STILL comes back to the BCE, as the ones who created, financed, and armed Al Qaeda.

2) Seek a qualified mental health professional for whatever issues you have which cause you to lash out at someone for merely telling you the goddamned truth. You consider it "personal"?? I don't fucking even know you. Nor do I want to, given your obvious issues. Get help, seriously.

[Sgt Schultz]

I think Michael Moore lighting a fart could probably do damage like this.

Seriously this is STUPID. The people making this video leave out photos. The hole was probably caused by an engine. and from first hand experience , I know that at certain speeds planes disintegrate on impact. An F4 Phantom crashed and burned near where I live and I flew in a Cessna not long afterwards - all that was left was a hole and a puddle.

Get real people. God, the shit people waste their time on.............

[FORD]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
I think Michael Moore lighting a fart could probably do damage like this.

Seriously this is STUPID. The people making this video leave out photos. The hole was probably caused by an engine.

Then where is the engine?

and from first hand experience , I know that at certain speeds planes disintegrate on impact. An F4 Phantom crashed and burned near where I live and I flew in a Cessna not long afterwards - all that was left was a hole and a puddle.

In some cases that may indeed happen, but in this case, it's not plausible. This was supposed to be a Boeing 757. Not an F4 Phantom or a Cessna, and considerably less maneuverable than either of those, even for an expert pilot.

Hani Hanjour was NOT an expert pilot by any stretch of the imagination...

At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.

However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.

In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.

When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday]link link

Given that a hack pilot in a huge plane wouldn't have possibly been able to dive straight down and crash into the ground floor of the Pentagon, one would assume that Hanjour began his descent earlier, yet there was no damage to the grounds in front of the crash site from a plane skidding across it. no wrecked cars in the parking lot, even the guardrail is intact at the point where the plane would have had to come in - if it were in fact a plane. For that matter, as the video points out, if the plane would have physically cleared the nearby highway, the plane would have created enough wind to affect vehicles on the road. Remember that this was around 9:30 in the morning, in Washington DC and the roads were hardly deserted.

It just doesn't add up.