Which Spammy Van Hagar song proves Van Halen no longer exists ?

[Jim Rome]

Well clones, the three lame tunes that errrr van hagar wrote for errr best of rip off.

[lms2]

That fact that there is a Van Hagar?

[Bob_R]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
If 'Jump' have been sang by Sam, it would have got no.1 vote in this thread. It's the least classic-Van Halen-like tune on 1984 (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus) and Dave doesn't sound right on it as well (I mean 'Romeo Delight' Dave).

And no, 'Just like a Paradase' is AWEFULL!!! Vai playing heart-shaped double neck ??? And people bash Love's Walking In?

Double M, it's great to see you here.

"Just Like Paradise" pisses all over "Love Walks In".

And, Romeo Delight is the most underrated VH song there is. I love that fuckin' song!!

And, Hagar sucks!!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
^ I bet someone has to copyright sheep image, he'd make millions out of this place

^^ I believe 'Summer Nights' was the first tune they worked out together, and that there is a version of it with Dave on vox.

Sheep images are copyrighted by the SHEEP PEN©. However, all rights are reserved when appropriately managed.

I believe Dave had a lot to do with 'Summer Nights.' He may have done the harmonies and even had some lyrics purloined by Hagar. Who knows?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
If 'Jump' have been sang by Sam, it would have got no.1 vote in this thread. It's the least classic-Van Halen-like tune on 1984 (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus) and Dave doesn't sound right on it as well (I mean 'Romeo Delight' Dave).

And no, 'Just like a Paradase' is AWEFULL!!! Vai playing heart-shaped double neck ??? And people bash Love's Walking In?

'Jump' isn't a power ballad like 'Love Comes Gagging In!' Nor was 'Jump' a new song, in fact Dave resisted the homogenization of the 80's cheese metal Eddie was pushing on him.

'Just Like Paradise' is a solid rock riff with an up-tempo beat, not a mushy slow piece of shit about alien anal implants!

[pete]

Originally posted by Jérome from Fra
I've read the question again. Sorry, I've first been too quick!

Van Hagard (it means "dazed" in my mother tongue. Not tough enough to the fat guinea pig, though.) never really died. It's been always been no good ! Despite Ed's few remaining rockets, the music was merely never born to rock 'n' roll, as greasy S(h)am(eful) sank the former mightiest ship down right from the start.
In his (unwanted) defence, anybody slipping into Dave's shoes would look as ridiculous as a kitten substituting for the wildest and most ferocious lion ever seen.

To answer the question at last, I was offered VH's first crime on the day I was 16. I was already pissed off with Diamond's departure. Illusion worked as long as "Good enough", the never-in-your-life substitute sounding like your girl-friend's accomplice replacement (same number of boobs, the same holes as she's got, but hey! It just won't do.), another girl, but the unique, priceless thrill has gone along with passion, because that girlfriend of yours simply stands beyond perfection and any other one looks dull as compared to her. To be precise: she sucks you as if she were in your mind, she swallows you, trembling with love like hell while turning her sweet ass over to you as you're just feeling like licking her with all the mighty love you've got, that is, well, you know: osmosis.
Then came "Why can't this be love?", second track. Shook my head in chagrin. Like fucking that other tasteless tart, whose magic would never be matched, as that of the most delicate rose who's part of me, all the more so by a blade of grass. No way! I may not take plonk for wine quintessence. Give me back my woman's woman! What? She's gone for good? You cannot be serious!!
That's how it was then, at that moment of the breakup. Just like trying a mock-darling: self-deception!!

So, why can't this be love?? Well.. See yer rotten keyboards? Hear yer faggot's sound and know-it-all bull lyrics? Noticed your rat-face now I've mashed it all over?? Now, I can tell you WHY: this can be but HATE coz you broke my toy into pieces, so your ma won't even recognize the miserable tiny pieces I'll make of the shit-face of you before any of your monkey guards can make the vaguets gesture. THIS is WHY, shit louse!!

Well, you know I didn't (mash his face into pieces) since he's still alive, but it wasn't due to not thinking about it.
Baby, that's why this can be but hate!!

In a nutshell;

When DLR left VH - They had to find an image to project. Dave was the image, attitude and swagger of the band. You can't replace DLR. What really changed is that instead of working these things out as a band - they used outside sources to advise them their musical direction to sell the music. The credibility is audible that the music was created to be radio friendly instead of sincere. 5150 sold well, we all know, because they were riding the success of 1984. They were poised to have a #1 album no matter what just based on expectation. Alot of hagar era fans will tell you they had their 1st #1 with sammy. #1 singles do not equate good music that will stand the test of time. Does "why cant this be love" still get radio play? No. Because their advisors were more concerned with easy to sell product that fit in with times. Something that could sell fast.

Think about it, advisors want to be successful and clients dont wait 20 years for the results. You hire these people and you want results. They do their job. The cost was the music.

Maybe the music they did after dave left was really what EVH wanted to do. That's where a good band comes in. He took over musically and was never questioned. A band or even song writin duo have to check each other.

They ceased being a band. They became a corporation.

I dont think they would have lasted this long had they gotten through that period. Grown men get sick of each other after so long. Any musicians or past musicians here will tell you that.

When you're young you want to hang with your boys. When you're 35 it starts to get ridiculous. When you were a kid you may have had the quiet drummer or bass-player. At 40 men want to be men and don't want to follow orders.

Bands are fragile

Oh, and the answer to the question is "Dreams".

[Fabulous Shadow]

I don't agree with the abover theory at all...
They did EXACLY what the user above was suugesting when replacing Sammy and look what happened... VH3!

Most bands are lucky to make it big ONCE. Usually when a lead singer leaves, it's hard for that band to ever recover. Van Halen got VERY lucky having any success with Sammy. It'd be impossible for anyone to come in and replace Dave. Having Sammy come in a create a different Van Halen was IMO the best thing they could do at the time. I give creit to whoever made the decisions.

[ThrillsNSpills]

[Mishar_McLeud]

Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
Double M, it's great to see you here.

"Just Like Paradise" pisses all over "Love Walks In".

And, Romeo Delight is the most underrated VH song there is. I love that fuckin' song!!

And, Hagar sucks!!

Yeah, I not so long ago have got four first Dave solo albums and decided to re-activate my account :D.

BTW, Judgement Day reminds me of Romeo Delight, except it's more powerful

[Mishar_McLeud]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
'Jump' isn't a power ballad like 'Love Comes Gagging In!' Nor was 'Jump' a new song, in fact Dave resisted the homogenization of the 80's cheese metal Eddie was pushing on him.

'Just Like Paradise' is a solid rock riff with an up-tempo beat, not a mushy slow piece of shit about alien anal implants!

Well 'That's Life' ain't an up-tempo either .

Besides 'LCWI' or 'WCTBL' there are great riffs on 5150 like 5150 itself.
But this album is my least favourite from Hagar era anyway.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
Well 'That's Life' ain't an up-tempo either .

Besides 'LCWI' or 'WCTBL' there are great riffs on 5150 like 5150 itself.
But this album is my least favourite from Hagar era anyway.

Okay, we'll agree. Dave isn't as good without Van Halen, and Van Hagar was reduced to a cliche'-ridden, weepy power ballad act after he left.

Nobody remembers Van Hagar, and nobody cares. Without Roth they declined from potentially taking the "SUPERGROUP" mantle from such acts as The Who and The Rolling Stones and declined to a parody with REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, and Journey! But hey, "don't stop believin'!" The situation would be quite different if Roth had never left.

[lms2]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The situation would be quite different if Roth had never left.

It would be nice if they could reconvene and prove this fact. :D

[Mishar_McLeud]

I would agree that with Hagar VH has never been as legendary band as it was with Roth. With Dave, Van Halen was like a USS on a rock'n'roll stage (if that's really what I want to say ), then happened what had happened, but there wasn't a single band since 1985 which have achieved a 'legendary' status.
I admit I prefer Sammy years more, mostly because I grew up with it and I'm also more into 'power ballads', but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate early years.

[clod speeney]

Originally posted by Panamark
Ok, this is a toughie. There area so many crap Van hagar songs.
But which one, really doesnt even sound like Van Halen at all....
Cant Stop Loving you springs to mind.....

How DID Ed and Alex and Mikey go from playing "Romeo Delight" to that one?! I know...his name wouldn't be DAVE, would it?!

[lms2]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
I would agree that with Hagar VH has never been as legendary band as it was with Roth. With Dave, Van Halen was like a USS on a rock'n'roll stage (if that's really what I want to say ), then happened what had happened, but there wasn't a single band since 1985 which have achieved a 'legendary' status.
I admit I prefer Sammy years more, mostly because I grew up with it and I'm also more into 'power ballads', but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate early years.

translation... I am younger than most of you, and I got laid listening to Van Hagar era tunes... :D