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Re: Van Hagar?!?!

Originally posted by RocStar5150

Let me point out that they had a lot more hits with Sammy.

If what you want from a band is Top 40 "hits" played on a cheesy synthesizer then go listen to N'Suck or a Flock of Seagulls. But don't call that fucking garbage "Van Halen", because it definitely is not that.

You probably thought "Silly Love Songs" and "Say Say Say" were as good as anything on the White Album or Revolver. Or that the Puff Daddy rape of Kashmir was 10 times better than the real song.

[PHOENIX]

Who is Sammy Hagar?

[Sarge's Little Helper]

Who is Sammy Hagar?

David Lee Roth says that Sammy Hagar is a bridge drone troll. I think he is a complete whiney bitch who is deathly afraid of the success that Classic Van Halen had that he could never live up to. Bluntly put he is just an old angry man who lives in a delusional fantasy world in which Van Hagar sold 20 million more albums than Classic Van Halen. Every time he talks he utters nothing but lies and sounds like a sack of assholes. Sarge told me that Bette Midler and Sammy Hagar are the same person. For a laugh please ask me who Bette Midler is. Thanks for your time. ..

[ZahZoo]

Originally posted by Brett

I hear ya Zahzoo. I always find it funny that those who were like 4 years old when Dave left make these claims about knowing what "real" VH was all about live. How the hell would you even know what it was like, you were still watching Barney. I was there at 13, and don't feel I really got the full enjoyment of the experience because I was so young.

The perspective element was the point of my questions... not weather anyone can identify with good music or let's make it great music.

I was born in 58, so I saw VH w/ Dave in 78 as a 20 year old. At that age I could discern the true impact Van Halen had on the entire rock industry at the time. Plus I was working in that industry at the time... While Edward's guitar work had musicians going nuts cause that was ground breaking... the band's overall impact was not as huge as most of you youngsters either were led to believe or are trying to sell. At the time rock was taking a back seat to Pop, Disco and Punk from a popular perspective.

Van Halen and the big name rock acts were still selling albums and filling venues but seriously there were NOT the big show of the time. In all honesty, they were the side show and a lot of the rock world were frankly laughing their asses off at Dave's schtick, dress and lack of pipes/singing ability. The only factor that kept the VH factor afloat at the time, was the musical aspects (Ed, Al & Mike). Which kept the audience in the game and Dave was the entertainment. But as the rock bands of the time went... the Dave factor was actually more of an embarrasment than the thing legends being built were perceived. Note: that was attitude among adult rockers... To be honest it was the teenagers that were cutting their teeth on Kiss, Alice Cooper and the freak show acts that really started embracing the Dave element. But most of that scene was just on the rise towards Glam rock coming out of Southern California... the rest of the nation was elsewhere.

It really wasn't until the tide of Hair bands hit it's stride that Rock took the front stage again in popularity. By that time VH was on it's last breath but managed to throw out 1984 which was really the bridge that shifted the overall scene from pop back to guitar oriented rock. Then Dave bails... bad timing IMO. Van Halen's rebirth with Hagar was bigger in the sense that rock over all was bigger and VH did draw top bill on much bigger venues than ever before. Plus initial rather than sustained sales were bigger too... That make it better... not necesarrily. But you have to put it in perspective of the times.

Dave was bigger too... and his 1st phase of his solo career was actually pretty stellar... but it was more a reflection of the times and the industry because when the "hair band" era faltered... so went Dave in the popularity aspects.

So this all sounds like a history lesson and it is... but if at times I question some of you about just how stellar Dave is/was. Understand it from someone who rode the waves as an adult at the time with a much differing perspective than someone who bought the albums, traded the boots and saw the videos... after they grew up.

Doesn't make you wrong cause you were too young to have been there... just a question of perspective when you kids get on a soapbox...

Peace.

[flappo]

..you wankers should know better than to argue with el-fordo

[Dave's PA Rental]

ZahZoo: that was one of the best posts EVER. I was born in '69. I was 13 when VH came to Providence on the 84 tour. My mom didnt let me go, but my two older brothers did. I can say that thanks to my older brothers I was well versed in the first 5 albums WAY before 1984 came out.

I still lack that Classic VH rock show experience though. Maybe that is why I am obsessed with collecting as many live VH recordings as I can get my hands on...

[Lou]

What the fuck is this? Please go to the VAN HAGAR LINKS everyone if you're not interested in celebrating classic Van Halen.

[Brett]

Fuck you Lou, I was listening to it before you were born.

I said what VH was all about "LIVE," not which era of the band you think was better. Try reading next time. And who cares if own bootlegs, that has nothing to do with being alive and experiencing the whole thing first hand.

[Brett]

And Zahzoo, your last post was so dead on about the rock world at that time, and how VH really was perceived. They sold a ton of records, but definitely Eddie's influence and skill kept them above the other cookie-cutter acts at the time. I think Dave's legitimacy as a great frontman came well AFTER he left VH. Living in LA my whole life, VH was always huge here, always.

The Sam stuff worked because it was at the height of pop metal, yep. I think it would have worked with any decent singer they got, it just was the right time for that sound.

PA Rental, bro if you were born in '69, you were 14 or 15 in 1984, not 13.

[ZahZoo]

Originally posted by Lou
What the fuck is this? Please go to the VAN HAGAR LINKS everyone if you're not interested in celebrating classic Van Halen.

Aaaaa Geez Lou... I thought that's what we're doing. Care to add to the discussion? What were your 1st-hand experieinces with the band from 1978 -1985?

Yeah Brett I agree... Dave's true impact to the times and genre weren't really realized nor appreciated until it was history. That's the problem with legends and true inovators... many are misunderstood at the peak of their career and it's not until the world has time digest it all does anyone understand the impact.

[Lou]

Originally posted by ZahZoo
Van Halen's rebirth with Hagar

Rebirth? You are joking right. More like the friggin' DEATH of Van Halen.

[Lou]

Originally posted by Brett
Fuck you Lou, I was listening to it before you were born.

I said what VH was all about "LIVE," not which era of the band you think was better. Try reading next time. And who cares if own bootlegs, that has nothing to do with being alive and experiencing the whole thing first hand.

Well then if you lived through it, how the fuck could you hear music like Unchained, Romeo Delight, Light Up The Sky and then think that Van Hagar with Love Walks In, When It's Love, and Not Enough is just fine. THAT I don't get. I'd think that only the people my age or younger would be into Van Hagar since we were watching Barney, and people 30 or older would shun Van Hagar and those faggot ballads in light of how powerful Van Halen was.

Fuck you too and your homosexual website. I haven't visited there in ages but I'm sure it's an orgasmic atmosphere as the Van Hagar reunion is looming over the horizon.

[ZahZoo]

Maybe return would be a better word... whatever...

[MAX]

I was born in '71 and just like Brett, my first concert ever was the '84 tour. It was stellar! I saw them with Spam 2 1/2 times and that was enough for me. I've also seen Dave live in '86, 88, and 94. He rocked all three times. This new "reunion" is simply a buzzkill for me. I have no desire whatsoever to see the show. Hell, I skipped them in '95 and 98. So, what would make me wan't to see this one?

[Dave's PA Rental]

Originally posted by Brett

PA Rental, bro if you were born in '69, you were 14 or 15 in 1984, not 13.

Yep, you are right...I was 14. My mom still wouldnt let me go...