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  • Terry
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12135

    #46
    Kind of along the lines of what Dave said in his book, about not wanting to remember what the band turned into after he left because it made him question what the band was when he was a member. Would be willing to bet a lot of classic era fans felt the same way when Van Hagar began fobbing off power ballads with lyrics by Hallmark.

    Hell, I was beginning to question what the band was turning into as far back as Diver Down and tunes like Dancing In The Streets were released, never mind the pop sheen of 1984.

    Eddie can still blaze on his axe. No doubt. And I doubt the current 'Van Halen' shows will have a lack of attendance. No escaping the facts that a lot of people will pay money to see Ed, Sam, Mike and Al play.

    Yep, Dave's current shows are less than record breaking in terms of ticket sales. And Diamond Dave was not a strong release. 1998's the DLR Band was a great return to form, but Roth has become too repetitive in his setlists since 1999. No matter what Dave does, he's never gonna enjoy the kind of sales he would with a reunited classic Van Halen.

    And his 2002 tour with Sammy did draw a lot of people out, and I'm sure many of them were Hagar fans. Along with the novelty factor.

    But Halen with Hagar will never get close to the sales they could with Roth out front. Kind of throws a monkey wrench into the works of putting Dave down for playing for 500 in a club vs Van Hagar playing in front of 15,000.

    In the end, I think Dave wants to get back with the band for a bunch of reasons. Money for sure. To get back into the big time spotlight again (let's face it, he's just a blip in most magazines now and in terms of the national consciousness).

    But with Van Halen splitting in 1985 there was always the sense of unfinished business. Sure, the music was getting soft, but they split for the most petty reasons. And 1996 was a teaser. The memories of what Halen did with Roth at the helm loom large and have assumed a legendary status in the minds of those who were lucky enough to have seen it. Ever hear of anybody talking about those legendary concerts Van Hagar did in 1986? Of course not. No amount of musical chairs was ever gonna recapture that magic of the original lineup. Me Wise Magic and Can't Get This Stuff No More were tantalizing tastes of a band that COULD go on to add to the legacy.

    Roth wants to get back with Van Halen to add to the legacy of the band and possibly put the cap and finishing touches on a great career. Roth was one of the main templates for a lot of frontmen, mostly American, in the 1980s rock scene. Sure, a lot of them got it wrong (Vince Neil, Mike Tramp, Janie Lane and on and on) because they only grasped half of what he did. Shit, even Hagar fronting Van Halen resorted to half-assed Roth routines live in a way he doesn't when he's solo.

    And let's face it, Roth, for all his exuberance and enthusiasm, isn't getting any younger. We all heard Ed and Al say how washed up Dave was in 1996. Well, Dave's been touring steady since 1999. Puts that bullshit to rest.

    How long are Ed and Al gonna let Dave fry and deny us what we want? Or are they just too chickenshit to get together with Dave, who wants to roll the dice and see if he can still live up to the past, and have it turn out that Mr.Fingers and his brother are the ones who can't cut the mustard anymore?

    The real question you should be asking isn't why Dave wants to get back together with Van Halen, but why Ed and Al are preventing it.

    Cowardice.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • nutts
      Groupie
      • Jan 2004
      • 67

      #47
      Yeah , but I've yet to hear somebody call it Van Halen. It's called Van Hagar. I'm suprised Mtv noticed @ all.
      GO!

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      • Big Troubles
        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
        • Feb 2004
        • 8517

        #48
        Originally posted by ALMOSTsaved
        Cool Big Troubles...I know you're a loyal Roth fan...as am I...But I'm a loyal Edward fan as well...Both have their fucking faults. BOTH have their egos. Both will play on the same stage again one day. Mark my words...However, BOTH need to swallow some pride. No one is getting any younger.
        Agreed. But Sam Hagar is not what the fans need right now. Id rather no Van Halen than a Sam Van Halen
        "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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        • rikredbrain
          Head Fluffer
          • Jan 2004
          • 223

          #49
          'sam van halen'..... nice
          the summer of sam van halen ass lick tour 2004 has a nice ring to it

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          • Big Troubles
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Feb 2004
            • 8517

            #50
            I can just see them now. Eddie and Sam Van Halen. "Just Married" trailing from the pick up truck..with empty Heinekens and Tequila Bottles. fuck em.

            "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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            • tjvhou812
              Full Member Status

              • Mar 2004
              • 4216

              #51
              is it just me, or is there some people on here that are just dumb,
              the van halen bon jovi thing that was just a favor, it was a 1 time thing, thats it.... and as far as van halen not selling out areanas,
              thats stupid shit becuase all the tickets will be gone april 3rd.

              and another thing, dave might be playin clubs but that dont mean he sucks, if he was back in vh he be sellin out everywhere....

              but that just goes to show ya dave isnt van halen, but he was a major part
              Originally posted by RIKK

              Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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              • Big Troubles
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Feb 2004
                • 8517

                #52
                Originally posted by tjvhou812
                is it just me, or is there some people on here that are just dumb,
                the van halen bon jovi thing that was just a favor, it was a 1 time thing, thats it.... and as far as van halen not selling out areanas,
                thats stupid shit becuase all the tickets will be gone april 3rd.

                and another thing, dave might be playin clubs but that dont mean he sucks, if he was back in vh he be sellin out everywhere....

                but that just goes to show ya dave isnt van halen, but he was a major part

                Sounds like your on the fence here. I never trust anyone that compliments both Dave and Sammy. You must be a woman. If not. Well, Im glad to hear you came out of the closet. Picka singer and stick. You cant like both, and there is no comparison.

                "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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                • pete
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 3325

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Big Troubles
                  Sounds like your on the fence here. I never trust anyone that compliments both Dave and Sammy. You must be a woman. If not. Well, Im glad to hear you came out of the closet. Picka singer and stick. You cant like both, and there is no comparison.

                  Woman don't like Hagar.
                  (except maybe the Indigo Girls)

                  We should offer congratuluations on his self-realisation

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                  • Ally_Kat
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7612

                    #54
                    Originally posted by L.S.D.
                    this has been all over the place moron. tell me who hasnt reported on it.
                    i live in the number one radio market and not once have I heard this news on the radio nor heard a Sammy song. I didn't know what was going on until I checked the boards this morning
                    Roth Army Militia

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                    • pete
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 3325

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                      i live in the number one radio market and not once have I heard this news on the radio nor heard a Sammy song. I didn't know what was going on until I checked the boards this morning
                      No doubt

                      (you have the most odd avatar)

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                      • cnwsp

                        #56
                        This is what I would like LSD and the rest of the (few) Van Hagar fans there are out there to explain to me:
                        You have Van Hagar losing popularity steadily as the 90's wore on. I have my reasons as to why, but that isn't important.
                        So, they axe Sammy and hire Gary. Nobody buys the album, ticket sales were horrid, it was a disaster.
                        The question is, why do you think that a group who people stopped paying attention to in '95 is going to come back and have all of this renewed interest?
                        It is the same old stale product that people lost interest in 9 years ago. It isn't like anything has changed.



                        What I also find funny is when you attempt to bash Roth for playing theaters and clubs. Since when did the size of the arena = the quality of music. Last I checked Brittney Spears was playing the local arena and Bob Dylan was playing the theater.

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                        • Ally_Kat
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7612

                          #57
                          Originally posted by cnwsp
                          Bob Dylan was playing the theater.
                          Dylan played at my school not too long ago.
                          Roth Army Militia

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                          • Ally_Kat
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7612

                            #58
                            Originally posted by pete
                            No doubt

                            (you have the most odd avatar)
                            it's one of foamy's rants from www.illwillpress.com
                            Roth Army Militia

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                            • Lou

                              #59
                              I think the only people who are gonna come to this are the die-hard Ed fans. Because I don't think there really are Sammy Hagar fans per se.

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                              • moose
                                Veteran
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 1988

                                #60
                                Com'on boys I love Sam.... On a Butchers Block....
                                Make some nice sausages outta him (have you seen the latest pictures M and Spam are a combined 600 lbs) and stick it in all the dumb fucks assholes out there who are happy with this cremation of a reunion cause they literally have no clue that they are getting screwed by these 4 fucking idiots with legs.
                                OINK OINK
                                squeal like little pigs boys and go to the flaming site where you belong.

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