God Bless Edward Van Halen!

[thome]

Originally posted by thome
I think correcting someones posts this way is lame, but fun.

After 40 some post you have made some sense.

I beilieve this -Quote- should be plastered nation wide.

I will put up and defend without much effort, because it is too easy,
anyones least favorite -DLR- song -after- VH. Compared to --ANY VH--song, post Roth.

Daves writing is far superior to EDs.Myop.

Sunburn
First I take my finger
And put it on your skin
Makes a little white mark
And then it turns to red again

So if you're lazy on a Sunday
And you got nothin' to do
And you wanna get a sunburn
Come on up to the roof

I think your nose is peelin'
The sun is hot and clear
The city's fairly steamin'
I can taste your skin from here

So if you're lazy on a Sunday
Any Tuesday'll do
And you wanna get a Sunburn
Come on up to the roof

See, I was up here yesterday
Saw some pigeons on a power line
Looked like notes upon a music paper
I wrote it down
I guess Manhatten
Gets the last line
Sounds like...

This is a little ditty that alot of people find somewhat sleepy. I find it some great prose.The Quality and Condition far outway any HVH any day.

I would love to see HVH cover this tune.

If Ed fired Dave he fired the style and the substance with him.

[delta5150]

I agree with thome! DLR's output was just as fundamental as EVH's, I think DLR's records prove that point very well - he's written some great stuff without ed's help, by the way Sunshine is such a cool and dreamy song, it should have been a hit back in 1994.

Your Filthy lil' Mouth is a strange record at first but they're are some gems, I love the lyrics on "Experience", here's my favourite section

Life was "Take a hit of this"
And I'd love to talk philosophy
But I've gotta take a piss
Man, that philosophy runs right through ya
Take it from me baby
I've got experience
All right

Followed by a cool and bluesy guitar solo by an underrated guitar player Mr Kilgore


Let's not forget "Black sand" another gem from DLR band

[FORD]

Re: Re: God Bless Edward Van Halen!

Originally posted by DaveTheSoulOfVH
simple question :
if ed was/is the whole cake, why Van Hagar sounds so crappy then, hmm ? :D

Because that was CHEESEcake! And the tequila frosting curdled it. :D

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
Because that was CHEESEcake! And the tequila frosting curdled it. :D

hahaha good shit

[eddie78]

But Ed was a great songwriter, that's what sets him apart from the shred heads.
He could write & the virtuosity was a bonus (but also influenced his writing & ability to execute trickier things like "Girl gone bad" and "Romeo Delight").
Ted produced, Donn engineerd, but they did not play the lines Ed played on "Hear about it later."
How can most of the credit be passed off to the producer?
You lost me on that one.
"Big Trouble" was the only compelling thing from Dave's solo output, in my mind. 5150 was just as bad, but there were some interesting guitar lines.
I was very dissapointed with both records back in my youth, especially after the brilliance that was WACF & Fair Warning.
Even 1984 was verging on an inevitable lameness, though it remains a great parting shot for a once great band.

[PlexiBrown]

Van Halen was for the most part Ed and Dave. What each of them did after CVH was not nearly as good as CVH. Mike and Al had their roles and were important to the CVH sound but Van Halen was mostly Ed and Dave.

[Terry]

Re: God Bless Edward Van Halen!

Originally posted by eddie78
Without his talent & brilliance, this board would not exist.
It baffles me how little respect is shown to the man that gave you all your favorite albums & redefined the guitar in a hard rock context.
Ed created the entire foundation, he wrote the songs.
It all started with Edward, not Dave, not Al, not Michael Anthony.
Would Jim Dandy, i mean David Lee Roth, (just kidding, folks) have a career without ED?
Doubtful.
For Dave to be entertaining, he needed some actual songs to back up the atttude.
Dave was the icing on the cake from 78-84, but Ed was/is the whole fucking cake.
Am i wrong, am i somehow misguided?
Enlighten me.

Well, because the site is dedicated to both Roth and Classic Van Halen, it stands to reason that without Eddie Van Halen's contributions the site wouldn't exist.

Don't quite make the same leap to the conclusion that because of that Eddie was therefore the whole ball of wax far as CVH went.

Nobody's ever gonna be able to say if Roth or EVH would have become famous, or as famous, without each having hooked up with the other.

I'd also have to say that Ed and Dave were the ones who wrote the songs, not just Ed. According to Ed, for the longest time he didn't even know the lyrics to the tunes, "and that's no joke."

Ed gets the respect he deserves around here. Not even the most ardent Roth diehards deny Eddie the credit he earned for being the driving force behind the band far as instrumentation went, nor the fact that he (to quote Frank Zappa) reinvented the electric guitar. Never really agreed with anyone who said "Ed WAS Van Halen", or "Roth WAS Van Halen". Al and Mike made their contributions as well.

After Roth left, a case can be made that Van Halen DID, in fact, become "Ed's band", and he was the whole ball of wax behind the lineups that followed. And the fact that I enjoyed what Roth did solo post-1985 and had little use for what Van Halen did after the Roth split is, I'm sure, purely coincidential

[DaveTheSoulOfVH]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
So at best, spEd was responsible for 1/7th of the what is heard on those records.

WOoow, maybe it's a bit too harsh...i would say 2/7th :D

[eddie78]

That was a great post, Terry.
I still think Dave's finest hour was the lyrical ideas on WACF, and the unhinged vocals (love the end of "Fools!")
All of WACF has a lot of brilliant DLR moments.
The verses to "Romeo Delight," the badass intro to "Whiskey," the conversational "In a simple Rhyme."
The chemistry between Ed & Dave on that collosal third opus, blows my mind to this very day.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

I can't believe some of you would dare to say that ed was a mere one seventh of the band. Are you fucking nuts??? Are you saying fuicking Donn Landee belongs in the same paragraph as ed's technical and artistic prowess and instinct???

Dave himself put it best. It's not a 50/50 partnership. It's 98% you, and 98% me. Is it Mick or Keith, Page or Plant? Who can tell?

Ed WAS the BAND, Dave the ROCK STAR. One shone so brightly b/c it was reflected off the other. Dave gave Ed's playing a context and an image to play off of. Ed's playing gave Dave's on-stage performances the same.

Don;t shortchange the guy at this point. In the early days, NO ONE sounded like Ed and contributed as much to guitar playing and hard rock than what ed - with dave out front - brought to the table.

[PlexiBrown]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
I can't believe some of you would dare to say that ed was a mere one seventh of the band. Are you fucking nuts??? Are you saying fuicking Donn Landee belongs in the same paragraph as ed's technical and artistic prowess and instinct???

Dave himself put it best. It's not a 50/50 partnership. It's 98% you, and 98% me. Is it Mick or Keith, Page or Plant? Who can tell?

Ed WAS the BAND, Dave the ROCK STAR. One shone so brightly b/c it was reflected off the other. Dave gave Ed's playing a context and an image to play off of. Ed's playing gave Dave's on-stage performances the same.

Don;t shortchange the guy at this point. In the early days, NO ONE sounded like Ed and contributed as much to guitar playing and hard rock than what ed - with dave out front - brought to the table.

Yep...Ed changed rock guitar and was WAY more than 1/7 of Van Halen. Unfortunately, the stuff after CVH was cheese and then Ed eventually became mostly fried.

[eddie78]

I think both of you are right.
To say Ed was a mere 1/7 of the band is as ludicrous as his ranking in the infamous Rolling Bone guitarist poll.
What other rock guitarist was playing "Spanish Fly" in 1979??
Ed was/is a freak of nature.

[KING OF THE HIL]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i love him from 78-84 but since then he has been a total dick

redball you nailed it
give that man a beer

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Re: Re: God Bless Edward Van Halen!

Originally posted by FORD


You're wrong because you think it was all Eddie. Without David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen probably would have never left Pasadena.

Why? clearly talent isn't the issue. But motivation is. And without DLR, Eddie's motivation has gone from steadily downhill (with Van Hagar) and into the toilet since the 1996 fiasco.

Man, I love you FORD. If I was gay, I would ask you to go steady right now. But i'm not gay, so i'll just call for a toast to you.

[FORD]

Re: Re: Re: God Bless Edward Van Halen!

Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
Man, I love you FORD. If I was gay, I would ask you to go steady right now. But i'm not gay, so i'll just call for a toast to you.

Sure.... as long as it ain't that "Lone Star" crap!. That was even worse than Olympia beer! :D