Is Dave a 25% partner or is he an employee

[dave_is_vh]

Originally posted by Warham
Dave would never take a lower cut than Ed and Al. If that were true, they would have reunited many moons ago.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Dave has too much pride to be less than an equal partner. Ed has too much greed to offer equal partnership to Dave. That is the entire reason that Ed made us wait. We had to wait 22 years for Ed to be willing to make Dave an equal partner. Thanks Ed for wasting 22 years in which a lot of great music could have been made.

And btw that also explains why the Van Hagar reunion occurred first. Hagar is a coward and was willing to be Ed's employee. Dave wasn't. The rest is history.

[David Lee Rocks]

Originally posted by lonnieg5
Well, since we banned The Guy, guess we'll never know.

LMAO!!! Wonder what happened to her anyway?!

[Hollywood Jesus]

Originally posted by ZahZoo
No one has signed away rights to the music they are credited with creating.

Dave, Michael, Sammy & Gary have all signed away their rights to the name Van Halen and all registered logos and trademarks of the band. All retain publishing and royalty rights for the music they co-wrote.

Mike Anthony has indeed signed away his co-writing rights. Probably bought out. Saw the movie "Superdad" the other night and "Panama" is credited only to David Lee Roth, Edward Van Halen and Alex Van Halen.

[bantonelli]

Does it matter? Really? As long as Dave is smiling, one can only assume it's due to the negotiation contract on money he'll be making from the tour, etc.

We already know the tour's incentive is money driven.

Since he's a "Contract Employee' which was rumored before, and somehow I think this is the case, he may stand to have negotiated a better deal than just being a band member.

Reason I believe he's a Contract Employee is that it seems that he is keeping separate Publicist, (Booking Mgr) Matt Sencio (or whatever the hell he really does?), Bodyguard - Animal, His Lawyer "Darth Vader", and whomever else can claim they are part of Dave's posse.

[binnie]

Originally posted by bantonelli
Does it matter? Really? As long as Dave is smiling, one can only assume it's due to the negotiation contract on money he'll be making from the tour, etc.

We already know the tour's incentive is money driven.

Since he's a "Contract Employee' which was rumored before, and somehow I think this is the case, he may stand to have negotiated a better deal than just being a band member.

Reason I believe he's a Contract Employee is that it seems that he is keeping separate Publicist, (Booking Mgr) Matt Sencio (or whatever the hell he really does?), Bodyguard - Animal, His Lawyer "Darth Vader", and whomever else can claim they are part of Dave's posse.

Excellent post.

I couldn't care less about the economics: chances are Dave would be doing this if there wasn't decent money involved.

[lafours]

I am sure Dave is making almost as much as the Sisters for performance..

but for merchandising he is probobly saeeing way less . the bros. own the logo and name..

if there are Shirts featuring Dave he probobly sees a smaller cut..


he is probobly a well paid employee but could become a "partner" if they sign a new record/merch deal..

[ZahZoo]

Originally posted by Hollywood Jesus
Mike Anthony has indeed signed away his co-writing rights. Probably bought out. Saw the movie "Superdad" the other night and "Panama" is credited only to David Lee Roth, Edward Van Halen and Alex Van Halen.

Watching a movie and it's credits is hardly any factual information to base such a wide-reaching assumption.

There was some other reference on the Panama credits that came out around the time of the Remasters that had MA excluded. Not sure what that's all about and nothing was ever verified.

Back in the 2004 tour discussions it was verified with a person close to Mike that he had signed away only his rights to the Van Halen names, logos, trademarks only. Basically he was being writen out as full member of Van Halen Music LLC. I would expect to see future references similar to Dave's Diamond Dave Music LLC with a distribution agreement through WB records unless he cut a deal w/ VH Music LLC exclusively.

It would be totally stupid to sign away his songwriting and publishing rights for a one-off concert appearance as that's future earnings based on royalties and performance fees.

[lafours]

actually, for how bad Dave has been burned over the years..I doubt he will ever enter into a full partnership with the sisters ever again. He is probably better off negotiating his own separate deal to protect himself..

as lame as Hagar is in the business sense he outsmarted the Van Halen's every time..working his own deals and refusing to use Ray Daniels, etc.

[Mezro]

The main stumbling block to DLR and the Brothers reuniting in the past was always money; they could ever get the numbers to click. Dumping Tubby has allowed the boys to free up the cash to give Dave what he wants while still keeping them in control of the Van Halen goodie bag.

Mezro...Dave is an employee that is compensated like an equal partner...Dave is NOT in charge of the ship this time around...but who cares...he seems happy...

[jgdrag]

Not sure about percentages but Edward did say"we are a band"
Songs being performed were written by the present band. No problem there.
I believe Dave has finally got it, by got it I mean, he has no where else to go. That is why he ate a little bit of crow at the pc. But, I do believe something more than just getting back together has happened over at Howdy Doody Mountain. I think Sped's rehab had more to do with Dave than we will ever know?

[stratmaster90]

Originally posted by BrownSound1
First of all, Dave is not stupid enough to sign away his rights to any of that music. Second of all, you don't make a "hired gun" your spokesperson, and I don't know about you folks but that's the way he came across to me in the presser.

You do when thats what they are Hired to Do......
Roth was hired to be Roth and nothing else.
Don't fool yourselves for one second thinking that Ed will give up any amount of control to Roth or anyone else.
Im Sorry, but I don't buy the " were a new Band" bull for a second.
ask me again in 2 albums and hopefully I'll be wrong ( and would love nothing more than to be wrong about this) but I doubt it.

[Pasadena Bunnie]

Originally posted by jgdrag
Not sure about percentages but Edward did say"we are a band"
Songs being performed were written by the present band. No problem there.
I believe Dave has finally got it, by got it I mean, he has no where else to go. That is why he ate a little bit of crow at the pc. But, I do believe something more than just getting back together has happened over at Howdy Doody Mountain. I think Sped's rehab had more to do with Dave than we will ever know?

It's not a matter of Dave had no where to go....if you make that statement, you need to include Ed and Al in that sentence and call it a wash.

Dave had a tight band the last couple of summers and his past success with EEAS and DLR Bands, respectively. Granted, no way for him to cash in on what he is about to embark today, but he was out there and doing a tour, making some pocket change + the royalties from VH.

Since Al doesn't do anything without Ed, they together were not doing much of anything as well. I don't blame Al, but do blame Ed. After 2004, these guys had no where to go.

Both David Lee Roth and Eddie Van Halen are huge commodities when put Side-by-Side. Separate them and the value changes dramatically.

[Baby's On Fire]

If any of you think Dave is not an equal shareholder in the corporation Van Halen, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.

I love how everyone seems to know what is going on. Here's a clue: listen to what Dave said in some interviews and on his radio show over the last few years,,,,,,

[ZahZoo]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
If any of you think Dave is not an equal shareholder in the corporation Van Halen, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.

You'd have to be quite delusional or "not paying attention" to think anyone other than Ed & Al have the helm of the VH Ship.

Dave's being paid to do what he does. He's not back as a board member of Van Halen Music LLC.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by ZahZoo
You'd have to be quite delusional or "not paying attention" to think anyone other than Ed & Al have the helm of the VH Ship.

Dave's being paid to do what he does. He's not back as a board member of Van Halen Music LLC.

Based on what Einstein? You're one of those clowns who acts like he knows what's going on in everything behind the scenes.

Dave himself said he wanted nothing to do with VH if it wasn't a band like the old days. This is why he declined the offer in 2004.

And don't think for a second anyone other than Dave delayed this tour until Ed was clean. Do you think it was Alice who finally got Ed into rehab after 40 years?

Wake up.