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  • bluedog
    Full On Cocktard
    • Jan 2004
    • 32

    Tour 2004. Unjust Criticism?

    Okay, Okay. This rant may piss some people off, but if you’re going to introduce yourself to the site then do it with a bang. And Sarge, great site by the way. I love it.

    Here’s my 2 cents.

    First and foremost, VAN HALEN is and always will be Ed, Al, Michael & DAVE! In my humble estimation, the greatest rock band in history. However, after reading several posts here, I’m surprised at some of the unjust and excessive criticism regarding the reunion with Sammy. Is it VAN HALEN? Hell no, we all know that. But some of the threads I’ve read directed toward Ed seem callous and discordant.

    Is he a drunk? I don’t know, maybe. Is his smoking repulsive considering he’s battled cancer? Without a doubt! Is his ego out of control? Who knows? But, and here’s the big question, is he the most influential and musically significant guitar player of the last 30 years? Absolutely!!!

    Come on, you remember what it was like to listen to Romeo Delight for the first time - Or Mean Street, or Little Dreamer, or Eruption. You remember. Hell, he influenced an entire generation to play guitar, grow their hair and appreciate strange red/black/white striped patterns. Ah, memory lane. Sad, but it isn’t 1984 anymore. All of us on this board is different, Ed’s different, even the grandmaster DLR is different. Time moves on. And nothing we do can change that.

    Is it a crime that there is no more VAN HALEN? Damn right. Just think of all the great music we could have been listening to over the last 19 years. Instead, we were given two great new songs in 1996, and from the looks of it, that’ll be all we get. Egos..everybody’s got one.

    However, I’m encouraged. I love Dave’s new band. Brian Young is a monster player and Ray is a killer drummer. And Dave, well he’ll always be Dave – in the same class as Jagger, Tyler, even Plant. When I saw Dave on tour with Sammy in 2002, it rocked! Dave and the band kicked ass! It’s easy for me to say that I really enjoyed his set more so than Sam’s. But Sammy didn’t suck; he’s just not Dave. Sam has his own thing going and like most all of you on this forum, I’m not crazy about Sammy’s “interpretation” of Dave’s VAN HALEN material either.

    But I’ll listen to the new material because I want to hear Eddie play guitar. I just view it as a totally different band. I don’t think of it in terms of VAN HALEN. Sure, it has the VAN HALEN label, but it’ll never be VAN HALEN without Dave. Again, we all know that. But you can’t tell me that Judgment Day doesn’t have one the best solos of all time. Or that Black and Blue isn’t a great riff. Ed is THE man! Drunk, sober, married, divorced, sick, healthy, crazy, sane or ego-driven…He’s an awesome, innovative and creative musician.

    I was in Greensboro for the tour opening. It was a solid rock show. There were miscues, but they were a hell of a lot more on-cues. A six-year stage hiatus was apparent and this group hasn’t been together in what, 9 years? But make no bones about it; Eddie is one badass player! He’s still very relevant! No, Sammy didn’t do Jump or Unchained or Panama justice. He’s not Dave, how could he? But the show didn’t suck either. And contrary to reports on this board, the place wasn’t half empty. I read 18,000 were in attendance, but a more realistic number would probably be closer to 15,000.

    Bottom line, when DLR left the band Ed, Al and Michael should’ve changed the name. Without Dave it just is not VAN HALEN. With Sammy it’s a totally altered band, a completely different dynamic. It’s poles apart. It’s night and day. But I’ll buy tickets to see them play this summer. Just like I’ll catch the DLR band every time they’re near by.

    I love the Atomic Punks. You know why? Because they bring back the passion and spirit to every classic VAN HALEN song they cover. They’re talented players, good showmen and all-around great entertainers. Ralph is brilliant and Russ is fantastic. It’s fun. And folks, for now, the Punks will have to serve as the torchbearers.

    Maybe one day both camps can reconcile, but I won’t hold by breath. I’ve been waiting long enough. Who’s to blame? Hard to say and I’ve lost track of time trying to figure it out. Ah, memory lane. If only it were as simple as it were in 1984.

    Better yet, induct them to their rightful place at the R&R Hall of Fame and force them to speak. Force them to perform at the induction ceremony. Who knows? Stranger things have happened. Oh shit, it sounds like I’m holding my breath again.
  • Sarge's Little Helper
    Commando
    • Mar 2003
    • 1322

    #2
    Okay, Okay. This rant may piss some people off, but if you’re going to introduce yourself to the site then do it with a bang. And Sarge, great site by the way. I love it.

    Here’s my 2 cents.

    First and foremost, VAN HALEN is and always will be Ed, Al, Michael & DAVE! In my humble estimation, the greatest rock band in history. However, after reading several posts here, I’m surprised at some of the unjust and excessive criticism regarding the reunion with Sammy. Is it VAN HALEN? Hell no, we all know that. But some of the threads I’ve read directed toward Ed seem callous and discordant.

    Is he a drunk? I don’t know, maybe. Is his smoking repulsive considering he’s battled cancer? Without a doubt! Is his ego out of control? Who knows? But, and here’s the big question, is he the most influential and musically significant guitar player of the last 30 years? Absolutely!!!

    Come on, you remember what it was like to listen to Romeo Delight for the first time - Or Mean Street, or Little Dreamer, or Eruption. You remember. Hell, he influenced an entire generation to play guitar, grow their hair and appreciate strange red/black/white striped patterns. Ah, memory lane. Sad, but it isn’t 1984 anymore. All of us on this board is different, Ed’s different, even the grandmaster DLR is different. Time moves on. And nothing we do can change that.

    Is it a crime that there is no more VAN HALEN? Damn right. Just think of all the great music we could have been listening to over the last 19 years. Instead, we were given two great new songs in 1996, and from the looks of it, that’ll be all we get. Egos..everybody’s got one.

    However, I’m encouraged. I love Dave’s new band. Brian Young is a monster player and Ray is a killer drummer. And Dave, well he’ll always be Dave – in the same class as Jagger, Tyler, even Plant. When I saw Dave on tour with Sammy in 2002, it rocked! Dave and the band kicked ass! It’s easy for me to say that I really enjoyed his set more so than Sam’s. But Sammy didn’t suck; he’s just not Dave. Sam has his own thing going and like most all of you on this forum, I’m not crazy about Sammy’s “interpretation” of Dave’s VAN HALEN material either.

    But I’ll listen to the new material because I want to hear Eddie play guitar. I just view it as a totally different band. I don’t think of it in terms of VAN HALEN. Sure, it has the VAN HALEN label, but it’ll never be VAN HALEN without Dave. Again, we all know that. But you can’t tell me that Judgment Day doesn’t have one the best solos of all time. Or that Black and Blue isn’t a great riff. Ed is THE man! Drunk, sober, married, divorced, sick, healthy, crazy, sane or ego-driven…He’s an awesome, innovative and creative musician.

    I was in Greensboro for the tour opening. It was a solid rock show. There were miscues, but they were a hell of a lot more on-cues. A six-year stage hiatus was apparent and this group hasn’t been together in what, 9 years? But make no bones about it; Eddie is one badass player! He’s still very relevant! No, Sammy didn’t do Jump or Unchained or Panama justice. He’s not Dave, how could he? But the show didn’t suck either. And contrary to reports on this board, the place wasn’t half empty. I read 18,000 were in attendance, but a more realistic number would probably be closer to 15,000.

    Bottom line, when DLR left the band Ed, Al and Michael should’ve changed the name. Without Dave it just is not VAN HALEN. With Sammy it’s a totally altered band, a completely different dynamic. It’s poles apart. It’s night and day. But I’ll buy tickets to see them play this summer. Just like I’ll catch the DLR band every time they’re near by.

    I love the Atomic Punks. You know why? Because they bring back the passion and spirit to every classic VAN HALEN song they cover. They’re talented players, good showmen and all-around great entertainers. Ralph is brilliant and Russ is fantastic. It’s fun. And folks, for now, the Punks will have to serve as the torchbearers.

    Maybe one day both camps can reconcile, but I won’t hold by breath. I’ve been waiting long enough. Who’s to blame? Hard to say and I’ve lost track of time trying to figure it out. Ah, memory lane. If only it were as simple as it were in 1984.

    Better yet, induct them to their rightful place at the R&R Hall of Fame and force them to speak. Force them to perform at the induction ceremony. Who knows? Stranger things have happened. Oh shit, it sounds like I’m holding my breath again.
    Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.
    "I decided to name my new band DLR because when you say David Lee Roth people think of an individual, but when you say DLR you think of a band. Its just like when you say Edward Van Halen, people think of an individual, but when you say Van Halen, you think of…David Lee Roth, baby!"!

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    • Warham
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 14589

      #3
      They better not perform at the R'n R HoF without Roth. That would be sacrilege.

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      • DR CHIP
        Foot Soldier
        • Jan 2004
        • 618

        #4
        Thoughtful post....welcome

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        • dysfunction
          Head Fluffer
          • Jun 2004
          • 498

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          They better not perform at the R'n R HoF without Roth.
          That is the only way I think he would ever perform with Van Halen again. As much as I hate Dave (after VH), I think he has earned that.

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          • Dutch
            Groupie
            • Feb 2004
            • 93

            #6
            Nice post. Interesting way to look at the situation.

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            • Nigel

              #7
              Bluedog, you are right on the money with your post. I tried something similar on the weekend and was "shot down in flames" but some people here just like a good argument, or worse just like to insult you with a lot of compound swear words.

              (Perhaps I wasn't as articulate as you), but your comments are worthy of publication and I totally agree with your sentiments. Cheers and good luck.

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              • guwapo_rocker

                #8
                Originally posted by dysfunction
                That is the only way I think he would ever perform with Van Halen again. As much as I hate Dave (after VH), I think he has earned that.
                Fuck Off!! Shouldn't you be out in the fields pickin' somethin'?
                Don't tell us what DLR has earned. You have earned a swift kick
                in the fucking gonads!! Quit wasting our time, go and toss some cowpies at your sister or something.
                Hey that would be kinda like foreplay for you guys wouldn't it!

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                • JOE THUNDER, LP

                  #9
                  Just a couple of thoughts bluedog. First of all, you sound like a major cunt. Second, shorten your posts, nobody wants to read through all that stupid ass babble.

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                  • dysfunction
                    Head Fluffer
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 498

                    #10
                    Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
                    Don't tell us what DLR has earned.
                    So you don't think he has earned it?

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                    • guwapo_rocker

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dysfunction
                      So you don't think he has earned it?
                      Yes I do!!!!!!!!!! The point is YOU have no right to an opinion on
                      what DLR has earned because you are a useless piece of shit that
                      spends all day slagging him on a site dedicated to him.

                      Now fuck off, your sisters waiting!!

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                      • bluedog
                        Full On Cocktard
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 32

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JOE THUNDER, LP
                        Just a couple of thoughts bluedog. First of all, you sound like a major cunt. Second, shorten your posts, nobody wants to read through all that stupid ass babble.
                        Dearest Joe Thunder:

                        It’s okay to disagree with me and take an opposing position. But insulting others is obviously not one of your gifts. If that’s the best you can do, in the future you should save face and offer no reply. As for the length of my post, I believe DLR put it best when he said, “It’s big with a bite, but it’s good for ya.”

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                        • ALinChainz
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 12100

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JOE THUNDER, LP
                          Just a couple of thoughts bluedog. First of all, you sound like a major cunt. Second, shorten your posts, nobody wants to read through all that stupid ass babble.
                          You'd know what babbling is, idiot. Didn't you just post as "Greg" saying you'd be a special guest at tonight's Pistion game? Even with Mason doing the intros.

                          But here you are.

                          Everyone, Joe Thunder claims to be an LP, but if you look at his profile, he can't even spell "Licensed".

                          He claims to have helped produce Diver Down. Claims to run this site too, and can ban members.

                          You don't want to know all there is to know about this loser. Believe me.

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                          • ALinChainz
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 12100

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bluedog
                            Dearest Joe Thunder:

                            It’s okay to disagree with me and take an opposing position. But insulting others is obviously not one of your gifts. If that’s the best you can do, in the future you should save face and offer no reply. As for the length of my post, I believe DLR put it best when he said, “It’s big with a bite, but it’s good for ya.”
                            You're lucky you got 2 or more words in a row spelled right from Joe Thudner, Loser.

                            Wait til he's had some Ripple, you won't understand a word.

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                            • ALinChainz
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 12100

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JOE THUNDER, LP
                              Just a couple of thoughts bluedog. First of all, you sound like a major cunt. Second, shorten your posts, nobody wants to read through all that stupid ass babble.

                              LMAO!

                              You finally changed the spelling!

                              Did you get your star for the day?

                              You get rid of your other account too dipshit?

                              God, what a loser.

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