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My 11 year old thinks Ed looks like a dead fish...
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Blood and Fire, You and Your Blues.......then maybe As Is.....Stay Frosty...Comment
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"Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013
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You and You Blues is one of my faves. Woulda been a big hit once upon a time.THINK LIKE THE WAVESComment
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So, back on topic! Album sales predictions ... I just went to the RIAA website to do a search on ADKOT.
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database
It used to be an excellent resource, but they have clearly employed some totally incompetent designer to remake their web pages. The search engine is the most totally useless I have ever encountered. It seems to throw up everything but that one item you have searched for. Search 'Van Halen' and you get a bunch of stuff that has the three letters 'v' 'a' and 'n' in succession.
So, if you do a search, and find that the results are ... baffling, and then decide ...'ah, do an Advanced Search', it won't work unless you reload the page, and it is still useless.THINK LIKE THE WAVESComment
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ok, 400,000 units sold ... get Dave to do some kind a promo, any knida promo and watch n sales skyrocket, I'm telling you, this ting could have already gone GOLD a month ago ....Hot dog and a shakeComment
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It will be interesting to see what they do in 2013, once Eddie has recovered. They could almost re-launch ADKOT with another tour, highlight it more by labelling it the continuation of the 'ADKOT Tour', play 2-3 more tracks from the album and make it available to buy at the shows (like other artisits do). The Grammys could also give it a push. I expect it will at least get nominated.Comment
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I think Eddie and Alex fucked up the sales. Nobody in the Van Halen camp was doing any interviews...ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Dave is the mouthpiece for this band and the brothers, IMHO, told him to shut up. Remember in '96 when they screwed Dave over? Every interview the brothers would do was about how Dave was selfish and that he wouldn't shut up. They said they were offered the Gross National Product of east and west Germany to tour again with Dave. The brothers declined because it was supposedly "all about the music." Flash forward to 2012 and once again they're trying to show people that the new album won't be promoted and that the music will speak for itself. Well Edward and Alexander have fucked up their album sales by trying show Dave and their critics that it's all about the music. I think if Dave had gone out there and done some t.v. and magazine interviews, this bitchin' album would have gone double platinum by now! Oh well...It's so easyComment
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You may be right, or then again, with some of the issues Dave was having, he may have been resting his voice....it's VH, we'll never know..."Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013Comment
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I think there's a lot to be said about what's not being said...
I'm not buying the "resting his voice" angle. Dave's never been quiet nor reserved until 2007. What changed... he was back in the Van Halen fold. I can only assume the only thing that can muzzle Dave's mouth is a contract that gets him back on the "big" stage.
We did get 300% more interviews and exclusive media with ADKOT and the tour. But Dave's part was mostly in the ultra controlled and scripted band produced releases. The few public media interviews from were from very obscure, non-mainstream media outlets... the content also seemed somewhat suppressed and cautiously controlled... very unlike the Diamond Dave we'd come to expect.
It just seems like the leash is very short for the Toast-Master General™ and clearly he no longer get full run of the farm... or his mouth for that matter..."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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There were more than a few interview snippets to be found, but as you pointed out they were (for the most part) not found in the media outlets one traditionally associates Van Halen (with Roth in the band, at any rate) with: little in print, virtually zero on television (am excluding television advertising for the ADKOT album and tour, which was interestingly at a much higher rate than most 'newer' artists from what I've seen). Mostly web-based, but this is the world we live in now.
It's just curious to me as to why there is from what I can gather on this thread still a struggle for ADKOT to get close to platinum, much less gold. Despite the actions of the Van Halen brothers from 1997 to 2006 (I mean, one would hardly be castigated for thinking these guys actually WANTED the Van Halen band name to be relegated to the bargain bins considering their 'strategies' during this period) and the general overall malaise regarding aging acts and shrinking sales of new albums offered by them, I would have thought an album of new material by the Van Halens and Roth in 2012 was sure to sell a lot more than it has thus far...unless it is exactly those aforementioned actions of the band post-1996 and pre-2007 that have sapped the intensity of emotions that people felt during 1996: maybe that very decade post-1996 just found more and more people not giving a shit anymore with each passing year...and the nearly four years between summer 2008 and spring 2012 of virtual silence didn't help.Last edited by Terry; 09-23-2012, 01:39 PM.Scramby eggs and bacon.Comment
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I guess there's one aspect to Van Halen album sales that the lack of mainstream media advertising effected most... tapping into the younger audience.
When I look at the core VH fan base with the average age of late 30's to darn near into the 60's. I don't think this is an age group that spends much on new music releases anymore. Outside of my musician circles, most the folks I know just don't have a music centric focus in their lives other than maybe a radio playing in their car or boat. They're more focused on jobs, paying their mortgage and consumed raising their kids or experiencing the arrival of grand children... rather than which old rock band put out a new record.
Clearly the video releases supporting ADKOT had virtually no appeal factor to kids in their teens or 20's... that age group is inundated with flashy, bright, fast paced action in your face media blitzes... not old guys clowning around, lipsyncing in black and white stop gap recording doing Charlie Chaplinesque ball room dancing moves in farmer's overalls... Makes me feel old and geeky just typing that shit..."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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