I Figured Out A Way To Get Mike Back In The Band

[ZahZoo]

this thread is great!.....now could someone close it

Oh hush!! We got a perfectly good pissin match going on here...

If you're afraid to get wet then stand up wind!!

[vandeleur]

If you're afraid to get wet then stand up wind!!

[jhale667]

Here's what I'm seriously f***ing tired of reading in this thread, especially after seeing VH again Saturday night...

People need to GTF over the idea that Ed "wrote" Wolf's basslines, much less played them on the f*cking album. Do the bass parts sound like anything in VH history? Hell no, not even close to the same vibe and feel, even on the ones people speculate Ed played on back in the day. IMO they're BETTER. Not necessarily saying he's a better player than MA (or Ed) overall, but clearly the kid was given free reign, and he has the chops and talent to warrant it. And watching him Saturday night (again) he's NOT roboting his parts, he's improv'ing with them and having a blast.

[ZahZoo]

That's the same point I was making... there's new card in the VH deck. Wolfgang isn't phoning in his bass contributions!!

I've never believed Ed wrote nor recorded the bass on any of their records except parts of III. VH has always been a 4 piece band... not two puppets and two puppeteers...

Mike's legacy isn't going anywhere... thus no need to return. The current line-up suits me just fine!!

[DLR Bridge]

Where did I say WVH was a "slouch?" Nowhere, is the correct answer. I'd say he's progressed quite a bit since the first tour, but he's still not overwhelming.

Living in the past you say? No, Mike will never be in VH again. That ship has sailed thanks to EVH no less. He sealed Mike's fate for him because of his pettiness. I have been simply relating how I view the breakdown of events leading up to that and nothing more. Some don't want to hear it though, and you're certainly one of them. Now that you (and everyone else) has been given a new album and a tour, you'll forgive 'ole Ed for any wrongdoing he may have done. Some of you are like a content, pacified baby in that sense. For years, the pacifier was missing, and people were crying foul. Suddenly, all is right in your world again and EVH gets a free pass. I think the guy needs to be held accountable for his actions at some point. That's just me though. Him having the audacity to remove Mike's picture on the album covers at the official site was like the lowest thing he could have ever done. Totally classless of him. He may have not liked Mike anymore or wanted him in the band, but no way should he have ever resorted to removing him from their history.

Finally, this wasn't about me wanting Mike back in the band as the thread title suggests. The only way that would even happen is if EVH apologized to Mike over things or WVH leaves. We know that neither is gonna happen. The only ones who want this thread shut are the ones with a pacifier and a "contented" look.

So, having seen VH in their prime qualifies you to be the judge of just how much of an apology Ed owes Mike for what ever may have transpired between them in your non-presence? Are you, who are so quick to slam fans who hit their concert going age in '86, holding Ed accountable for what you read in Sam's book? Your a winner. And then you throw out some line about how compressed ADKOT was. WTF does that have to do with this present absurd discussion?

[ZahZoo]

So, having seen VH in their prime qualifies you to be the judge of just how much of an apology Ed owes Mike for what ever may have transpired between them in your non-presence? Are you, who are so quick to slam fans who hit their concert going age in '86, holding Ed accountable for what you read in Sam's book? Your a winner. And then you throw out some line about how compressed ADKOT was. WTF does that have to do with this present absurd discussion?

That's the irony with these fan boards... Folks that were there during CVH prime getting schooled by folks that were toddlers discovering Barney and their penis/vagina when legends were being built. Never fails someone gets butt-hurt if an older veteran points out that they missed the big bus...

Reminds me of a lesson I learned 7 years ago standing on the deck of the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor... listening to my 83 year old father and 5 other WWII vets discussing the war and their experiences. You could see the passion and pain in their eyes as they talked about the battles and friends lost. I had read the books and seen the movies and knew quite a bit about some of things they discussed... but it dawned on me... I got nothing to contribute here and out of respect kept my damn mouth shut and just listened respectfully...

Sometimes I feel that way here... and want to tell some of you Hagar era raised punks to shut the fuck up... War is hell boys but then again... this is just Rock N Roll...

Carry on...

[DLR Bridge]

That's the irony with these fan boards... Folks that were there during CVH prime getting schooled by folks that were toddlers discovering Barney and their penis/vagina when legends were being built. Never fails someone gets butt-hurt if an older veteran points out that they missed the big bus...

Reminds me of a lesson I learned 7 years ago standing on the deck of the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor... listening to my 83 year old father and 5 other WWII vets discussing the war and their experiences. You could see the passion and pain in their eyes as they talked about the battles and friends lost. I had read the books and seen the movies and knew quite a bit about some of things they discussed... but it dawned on me... I got nothing to contribute here and out of respect kept my damn mouth shut and just listened respectfully...

Sometimes I feel that way here... and want to tell some of you Hagar era raised punks to shut the fuck up... War is hell boys but then again... this is just Rock N Roll...

Carry on...

All very sweet Zah, but no young wipper snappers (we're talkin early to mid 40's here) are attempting to school anybody! We agree with you about Mike's legacy with VH being intact, and about Wolf doing alright within the current bands offering. I think any fan of any age should be able to say either enjoy what your getting right now because the alternative could have easily been diddly squat!

[ZahZoo]

You're right Senor Bridge... this is just a chat board and no one has to provide a resume to join in. We're all gettin older...

It is amusing though to hear older teens and twenty-somethings try and talk authoritatively about classic Van Halen... maybe they inherited in their DNA. Most likely one of us older fans is their daddy and knocked up their momma with classic VH blasting in the back ground!!!

[TwoFoolsAMinute]

Why does anyone think Ed played Wolf's bass parts. Wolf being the greatest musician in the world is part of Ed's ego. I'd be more apt to believe Ed let Wolf play his guitar parts than that Ed played Wolf's parts, except that Ed would be bragging that Wolf played the guitar parts.

[fourthcoming]

This thread really did turn into an old fashioned pissing match didn't it. Who fucking cares anymore......there's too many arguments going on....I'm confused. As long as Sam's fat ass doesn't end up back in the band, all is well.

[78/84 guy]

This thread really did turn into an old fashioned pissing match didn't it. Who fucking cares anymore......there's too many arguments going on....I'm confused. As long as Sam's fat ass doesn't end up back in the band, all is well.

And there you go ! It is really simply too me. And Val confirmed it in a interview. There would be no Van Halen without Wolf kicking his dad in the ass to play. Ed said o.k. you play bass !! There isn't much more to it. It seems Ed wanted Mike out years ago anyway, way before he was up Sams ass ! So he is still friends with Sam big deal. I'm sure it pissed Ed off but I still think Wolf was going to be the guy no matter what. Maybe Mike would be there if Wolf was never born ? But it seems to me there wouldn't even be a Van Halen anymore without Wolf since 1998 so.......... Enjoy what we get. The album was great overall and Wolf can sing & play. 1984 is history people ! Get over it. How many older bands stay the same anyway ? The Stones havent been original since 1969 ! I think the only thing to worry about with Van Halen is if Daves voice get's better soon !

[CROWBAR]

So, having seen VH in their prime qualifies you to be the judge of just how much of an apology Ed owes Mike for what ever may have transpired between them in your non-presence? Are you, who are so quick to slam fans who hit their concert going age in '86, holding Ed accountable for what you read in Sam's book? Your a winner. And then you throw out some line about how compressed ADKOT was. WTF does that have to do with this present absurd discussion?

I don't subscribe to the House of Hagar Junior. I don't own anything by him, nor ever will.

...and yeah, a one Edward Van Halen certainly DOES owe Michael Anthony an apology. You can fuck off with yer fine self too.

[CROWBAR]

Here's what I'm seriously f***ing tired of reading in this thread, especially after seeing VH again Saturday night...

People need to GTF over the idea that Ed "wrote" Wolf's basslines, much less played them on the f*cking album. Do the bass parts sound like anything in VH history? Hell no, not even close to the same vibe and feel, even on the ones people speculate Ed played on back in the day. IMO they're BETTER. Not necessarily saying he's a better player than MA (or Ed) overall, but clearly the kid was given free reign, and he has the chops and talent to warrant it. And watching him Saturday night (again) he's NOT roboting his parts, he's improv'ing with them and having a blast.

When you can provide the proof pal....

[Angel]

I don't subscribe to the House of Hagar Junior. I don't own anything by him, nor ever will.

...and yeah, a one Edward Van Halen certainly DOES owe Michael Anthony an apology. You can fuck off with yer fine self too.

So you were there and you know everything that went on between the two of them? No...we only know what has been publicized, and that ain't a hell of a lot!!

We will never know the full story...

[Zempi]

Few things I've noted after reading these pages. Some mentioned Dave ONLY did this tour/2007 tour and caving into EVH demands and replacing Mike with Wolf--for MONETARY REASONS. I don't believe that to be the motivating factor. Sure a tour puts money in all their pockets but not THE REASON. Sure Dave is nostalgic; at some point did say he wanted a closure with the original 4. I am sure he knew much more inside info than 'fans' did about EVH health scares and what not. IT could have very easily been he agreed to the 2007 tour (and how do we really know he 'agreed'...they coulld have all sat down together) knowing that this could truly be the last chance....for himself as well as the fans to get as close to 'VH' as we can get. If it was Wolf to make this happen sooner than later..so be it. Sure in 2007 Wolf had the stage presence of a mop, but so what--we were all happy to see them multiple times. It was what we were waiting for all these years right?

Fast forward to 2012---I personally did not pay too much attention to Wolf on the last 2007 tour. Though he is not his Dad, Dave or Uncle Al in terms of showmanship, he is definitely a good player/musician. He gels well with the 3 of them..he gels well with Dave IMO. He is to be watched and listened to weather Daddy helped him get there or not. He was born into it not his fault-but give him credit so far he is capable. Even though MA has talent and most of us around during that time would have liked to have seen MA now or 2007, it just did not happen. Beyond our control But sadly he also was the weakest link of the 4.

I also don't see Wolf as some smug punk who would ever continue VH without Dave, Al or his dad and still call it VH. I am sure he is not that arrogant. He will 'prove himself' to others someday if he chooses to. For now, he has proven himself to me-I WANT to go to these concerts multiple times. If it took his participation to help that happen, to fill that spot, I'll go with it. I have no complaints. I don't look at him during the show and roll my eyes and think what a bad voice, or bass player. Sure he is not theatrical..but so what. Maybe he is a somewhat shy, awkward 21 year old who enjoys playing and that is that.

I'll keep my eyes of Dave and enjoy the rest of the music with no complaints....

For those who are really complaining about this--stop buying tickets. I'll take your seat especially if they are ones close up on the floor....either side or in front of Dave.