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PICKin it back up tonight at Tokyo Dome. #vanhalen #eddievanhalen #tourdates #rockmusic pic.twitter.com/Tkej4d5YbI— Eddie Van Halen (@eddievanhalen) June 21, 2013
Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
Terry - there would be nothing dishonourable in them calling it quits at some stage in the very near future.
In fact, for any band, it would be wise to quit before you were forced to quit.
Rock'n'roll has always been a young man's game - but as long as the Stones keep going, it opens up the possibility for all of those who follow. The Van Halens and Dave are approximately 10 years the Stones' junior. They opened for the Stones at the Louisiana Superdome in July 1978, on one of their first forays outside of Southern California. Back then people were saying the Stones were old men past their best. I think Mick and Keith would have been a sprightly 34-years old at the time! Things change.
In my estimation, as a live act, the Stones ten years ago - never mind NOW - were beyond being interesting. But I think, as with Van Halen, there is still the extra little thing of being there adding a lot to the experience (as opposed to picking over the performances on cell-phone videos).
For the Stones, the tickets kept selling because the were the 'greatest rock'n'roll band in the world' and, who knows, it would always be the last show whenever you saw them anytime in the last 20-odd years. For VH, it is similar now - in terms of American rock music they occupy an echelon along with the Doors, Aerosmith, and not may others, as one of the greatest-ever American rock bands from that 60s-70s era.
But one day, and it won't be long, that's not going to keep selling tickets. On the basis of ADKOT, I think they could still keep making good albums, but touring is a different matter.
The Rolling Stones may be more of a yardstick now for other rock bands in terms of what is acceptable re:age and financial viability. In other words, if the Stones are still getting up onstage and doing it at their age, it's okay for other bands to keep going as well. I understand that. With most rock bands, what else are they gonna do? And if the demand is still there, why shouldn't these bands keep performing?
I guess part of it depends on what the band is and the style of music they play. Put it this way: couple of years ago I went and saw Neil Diamond in concert. Now, even though Neil Diamond is older than dirt, he put on a great show. Sang all the tunes in their original key, did roughly two hours, played all the hits. It's because Neil Diamond's music and image weren't based on youthful exuberance and a rock and roll party lifestyle that he's able to perform at his age and not look silly doing it.
Van Halen ain't Neil Diamond.
I think The Rolling Stones have gotten more points for existing in the last 25 years than anything they've done musically. And you may well be right in that they keep selling out stadiums in part because some feel every show is potentially the band's last. Van Halen is in the same boat to a degree, being that in many ways it's just sheer luck as much as anything else that Van Halen are even functioning as a band AT ALL these days. I liked ADKOT, but Van Halen is starting to slip into that Rolling Stones realm where with what they're doing live these days, I'm giving them more points for existing than for anything of particular note happening at the shows.
To put it even more into perspective, when I saw the Shine A Light movie several years back, Richards was displaying some real shitty, slipshod guitar playing and Jagger was opting for lazy live vocal shortcuts that have crept into his in concert style since 1981. Now, none of that negates the great music they've made in the past, but just because Richards is a legendary (former) junkie bad boy icon and Jagger is a 'living legend', these things don't elevate a mundane performance. It comes down to how many concessions I'm willing to grant a band for advancing age in order to experience a bit of nostalgia. I'm kinda reaching the point where if a band can't do it as well as they used to, my feeling is fuck 'em for continuing to do it and charging outlandish ticket prices, to boot. Just because masses of people are willing to pay $600 a ticket to see the Stones live doesn't make it a show that's actually worth $600 to see, if that makes any sense.
Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
Terry - there would be nothing dishonourable in them calling it quits at some stage in the very near future.
In fact, for any band, it would be wise to quit before you were forced to quit.
Rock'n'roll has always been a young man's game - but as long as the Stones keep going, it opens up the possibility for all of those who follow. The Van Halens and Dave are approximately 10 years the Stones' junior. They opened for the Stones at the Louisiana Superdome in July 1978, on one of their first forays outside of Southern California. Back then people were saying the Stones were old men past their best. I think Mick and Keith would have been a sprightly 34-years old at the time! Things change.
In my estimation, as a live act, the Stones ten years ago - never mind NOW - were beyond being interesting. But I think, as with Van Halen, there is still the extra little thing of being there adding a lot to the experience (as opposed to picking over the performances on cell-phone videos).
For the Stones, the tickets kept selling because the were the 'greatest rock'n'roll band in the world' and, who knows, it would always be the last show whenever you saw them anytime in the last 20-odd years. For VH, it is similar now - in terms of American rock music they occupy an echelon along with the Doors, Aerosmith, and not may others, as one of the greatest-ever American rock bands from that 60s-70s era.
But one day, and it won't be long, that's not going to keep selling tickets. On the basis of ADKOT, I think they could still keep making good albums, but touring is a different matter.
But there is a pretty nice gaping hole in your logic.
FOR MOST YOUNG PEOPLE, ROCK N' ROLL DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST ANYMORE. Wolfgang Van Halen and Andy Biersack, who is two years my senior is the are the only real young people who know how to rock. I would rather have the 2013 versions of VH, KISS and the Stones than a world without rock music.
After reading the last few pages looks like the 58 year old Dave has no fans. Livin' in the past are we ? The past is history. The guy's in Van Halen are old & have had many health problems. Including what is it 2 back surgeries for Dave ? But you still want him doing spinning air kicks ? Get real ! The guy is old ! And I laugh when I see people bitch they are still playing their biggest songs. I really don't get it. That's what the average fan's that fill a arena want to hear when they pay $ 100 bucks a ticket. Sure I want too hear deep cut's and they have played them. I do agree Dave needs too put in more time remembering his lyrics, but I won't give him shit for the shape his voice is in. If he could sing better he would. Why wouldn't he ? Unless it is just some easy solution like his monitors or something. Looks like they might as well stay home this year. Everyone here thinks it's over. Good ! When they have too play clubs again I will be the first one at the door. More room for me ! I hate arenas. I always said I don't want VH to go much longer than 5-6 more years because their history is the great American party band.( At least with Dave ) And being 65 and doing that seems silly too me. Maybe they are already there ?
Fuck ELVIS for poisoning the Roth Army against Roth.
You can't blame E for people giving their opinions about Tuesday's performance lol!
no?
Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
No, you have to blame WARF. Geez, don't you guys know anything?
not enough to talk to igo about tampons...
Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
we are still maintainin' hope for kickass shows at the festival and fair tho, right?
Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
FOR MOST YOUNG PEOPLE, ROCK N' ROLL DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST ANYMORE. Wolfgang Van Halen and Andy Biersack, who is two years my senior is the are the only real young people who know how to rock. I would rather have the 2013 versions of VH, KISS and the Stones than a world without rock music.
I can agree with that to a certain extent....
My youngest boy turns 20 in a few months, and he listens to just about every genre of music....
BUT, with the exception of maybe Linkin Park, all of the Rock music he listens to is from my era.....
Eat Us And Smile - The Originals
"I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth
"We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
Fuck ELVIS for poisoning the Roth Army against Roth.
That's the stupidest comment I've ever read in my life!
ELVIS doesn't have mind control over his audience like Alex Jones does lol....
You're reading too far into things...
You almost sliced your wrists over a false jackyl rumor....
Van Halen accomplished everything they needed to do in their career, the only thing left is bringin' back Mike...
You got the bootlegs, 7 great albums... people get old it's just a part of life....
Dave made a great run, but Eddie Van Halen was ten years too late bringin' back Dave to blow our minds for a live concert... but hey... at least we got one more classic album.
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