Why the hell are Dave and the boys getting so much hate this time around?

[fourthcoming]

Sorry everyone, I sent that with caps by accident. Also, sorry for spewing, just a lil upset, I deserve all nasty responses, my bad big time. My apologies !

Fuck that bro.....everyone has an opinion.....your entitled to yours. I mean.....I kinda disagree with that you had to say.....but who cares.....say what you wanna say dude....everyone else does here.

[ZahZoo]

He could've used a picture of himself as his avatar, but that would've smacked of complete and total attention-whorism.

....there are cases in point that give substance to that theory.

Wait a minute... are you implying that our avatars are not who we really are?

Why is it every time I log in I feel like I end up having some variation of this conversation on here?

NSFW

[jhale667]

Wait a minute... are you implying that our avatars are not who we really are?

Mine is really my guitars, does that count?

[Dave's Bitch]

Wait a minute... are you implying that our avatars are not who we really are?

that would make me an extremely hairy 60 year old Jewish man with 3 hip replacements and am on tour til September

[Sensible Shoes]

I would like to point out that it is not me in my avatar, it's Judy Gunderson

I would like to point out that my avatar is a tattoo of........







....my shoes.

[bru87tr]

I put down ADKOT after playing it to death. I will admit after so much time I was really picking it apart.

I just listened to it today after not listening to it in a while, boy what a difference after playing it to death and picking it apart. This time around I just enjoyed it and since I knew all the words, it was like playing an old VH record and guess what ? It sounds like an old VH record and not far off from something I think we might have heard from them after 1984.

I am not sure why, but it sounded more like CVH than it ever did since I first started listening to it. It really is a great great GREAT fucking album. Why has it not sold more ? Where are the DLR/VH fans outside this site ?

Where is the promotion of this album and why has the promotion not taken off from what started and instead deflated ? I thought they went with Interscope Records cause they would actually promote it ?

Why isn't the radio friendly "You and Your Blues" not a single ? Who the hell is picking the singles ? If you want the public to buy it, play what will grab them quickly and rope them in!

I just don't understand with so many good tunes on this album why the wrong ones are promoted as singles. Stay Frosty is cool, but a single ? Not in todays market, You and You Blues is what will grab the public quick before they know what hit them.

I am very surprised this has not sold a million yet with so many fans VH had in the past. They couldn't have dreamed of getting a better album at this point in their career.

Anyway, I just wanted to say how refreshing it was to play this again after taking a break from it as I played it to death the first month. I mean non-stop everyday at work for a month.

[SilvioDante]

I am not sure why, but it sounded more like CVH than it ever did since I first started listening to it. It really is a great great GREAT fucking album. Why has it not sold more ?

No Cookie Monster vocals or songs about how everyone is/was mean to you. Doesn't fit in the parameters of "modern rock". I would also be interested to see the numbers of the last KISS, Cure and other band of their era. They just don't sell. Someone much smarter than me on this site said that albums promote the tour which is opposite of what it use to be.

Where are the DLR/VH fans outside this site ?

We are out there, as you can tell by the tour.

Where is the promotion of this album and why has the promotion not taken off from what started and instead deflated ? I thought they went with Interscope Records cause they would actually promote it ?

I actually think the promotion has been great for the most part. The guys might not want to do more themselves, that could hurt.

Why isn't the radio friendly "You and Your Blues" not a single ? Who the hell is picking the singles ? If you want the public to buy it, play what will grab them quickly and rope them in!

I am speaking just from my experience in the Nashville market here, but no station here would play it. They want a Van Halen that stopped in 1984.

I am very surprised this has not sold a million yet with so many fans VH had in the past. They couldn't have dreamed of getting a better album at this point in their career.

The answer to this is two fold. First, iTunes and the modern buffet on musical download sites (legal and illegal) have killed album sales. Most people hear a song on the radio and just buy that.

Second, and I think the boys may have learned a hard lesson. You can't leave the public eye for 28 years and come back like nothing happened. Simple as that. We have all been to the concerts and seen people sit down during "Chinatown" and "The Trouble With Never". They just want to hear "Ice Cream Man" and go home because that's all they remember from this band. They wanted them frozen ala Austin Powers and fresh as a daisy for their personal show, then back to the past with them. Outside of us, no one cares about Van Halen anymore.

Tons have changed since 1984. The way music is made, produced, sold, sounds, promoted, played. The Van Halen's have been holed up in 5150 that the industry has passed them by.

Doesn't mean WE can't enjoy this incredible album. And trust me I have.

[bru87tr]

No Cookie Monster vocals or songs about how everyone is/was mean to you. Doesn't fit in the parameters of "modern rock". I would also be interested to see the numbers of the last KISS, Cure and other band of their era. They just don't sell. Someone much smarter than me on this site said that albums promote the tour which is opposite of what it use to be.



We are out there, as you can tell by the tour.



I actually think the promotion has been great for the most part. The guys might not want to do more themselves, that could hurt.



I am speaking just from my experience in the Nashville market here, but no station here would play it. They want a Van Halen that stopped in 1984.



The answer to this is two fold. First, iTunes and the modern buffet on musical download sites (legal and illegal) have killed album sales. Most people hear a song on the radio and just buy that.

Second, and I think the boys may have learned a hard lesson. You can't leave the public eye for 28 years and come back like nothing happened. Simple as that. We have all been to the concerts and seen people sit down during "Chinatown" and "The Trouble With Never". They just want to hear "Ice Cream Man" and go home because that's all they remember from this band. They wanted them frozen ala Austin Powers and fresh as a daisy for their personal show, then back to the past with them. Outside of us, no one cares about Van Halen anymore.

Tons have changed since 1984. The way music is made, produced, sold, sounds, promoted, played. The Van Halen's have been holed up in 5150 that the industry has passed them by.

Doesn't mean WE can't enjoy this incredible album. And trust me I have.

Is that how it really is at the concert ? I would think for the ticket prices most of those people at the concert are old school hardcore fans. People are sitting down during the new songs ? I find that unbelieveable and shocking. Considering the numbers and people our age going to these concerts that the new album would easily break a million or two. Times really have changed and so haven't ticket prices.

I sorely wanted to go see VH this time around and almost did, I had good seats during checkout when I went to purchase, but I just could not bring myself to spend $320 for my wife and I to go. You can buy a lot for that kind of money, I instead put the money to another pair of speakers and snagged myself a nice pair of KEF Q900's for a sweet deal of $250 to listen to VH on and those will last a lot longer than a night seeing VH.

What a bummer and shame on those people going to see them and not listening or buying the new album. I bought both versions of the album and almost the vinyl but heard the vinyl was not much of an improvement over the cd which I thought BG ruined in the mastering stage. Just my opinion though.

[At0micPunk]

Why the hell are Dave and the boys getting so much hate this time around?

Old thread but I just logged on first time in a while so want to chime in.

2 reasons.

1. Because VH's dysfunctional past and years of inactivity has sadly earmarked them for some ridicule and speculation.

2. After Dave split and VH became the new Journey it opened up the doors to fans who thought Journey, NightRanger and Def Leppard's pour some sugar on me was the peak of kick assness. VH's fanbase was forever tainted and defiled by what you call sheep. They feel they have ownership of "Van Halen(VanHag)" and now that SamMike is gone, like the ugly stepsisters they have to constantly nitpick and insult Dave and Van Halen to comfort themselves. It wasn't just VH that took a hit in cool when DLR left, so did thier fan base.

[fraroc]

Is that how it really is at the concert ? I would think for the ticket prices most of those people at the concert are old school hardcore fans. People are sitting down during the new songs ? I find that unbelieveable and shocking. Considering the numbers and people our age going to these concerts that the new album would easily break a million or two. Times really have changed and so haven't ticket prices.

I already told the site about how two people in front of us left and didn't come back after Romeo Delight (For my show Dave still had the headset) and some disgusting fans were booing when VH played Tattoo, which pissed me off, obviously. I did notice that people were sitting on their hands and giving half-assed applause during She's The Woman, Tattoo, Chinatown or Trouble With Never at my show. They're promoting a new album for chrissakes, this isn't a nostalgia moneygrab tour, the ADKOT tour is really something special to the band and I wish the fans thought that way..

[Halen High]

I already told the site about how two people in front of us left and didn't come back after Romeo Delight (For my show Dave still had the headset) and some disgusting fans were booing when VH played Tattoo, which pissed me off, obviously. I did notice that people were sitting on their hands and giving half-assed applause during She's The Woman, Tattoo, Chinatown or Trouble With Never at my show. They're promoting a new album for chrissakes, this isn't a nostalgia moneygrab tour, the ADKOT tour is really something special to the band and I wish the fans thought that way..

Anyone unimpressed with She's The Woman was almost certainly either a very casual fan who only wants to hear the radio 'hits', or someone's corporate guest for the night with little interest in the band or hard rock in general - other than being able to tell people later, "Yeah I've seen VH live".

[envy_me]

On that topic, where is Nitro? Haven't seen him here for a couple of days. He is also one of those I really, really like.

Seriously, where is he??? I am getting worried. It's been like 2 weeks since he was here last time.

[Yount]

...this isn't a nostalgia moneygrab tour.

So tickets are $160. And the last tour they pulled in $96 mill. Yeah it's a moneygrab.

Are they worth it, this time around?
(Some folks may justify it saying "Look at what the other band from that era charge.")

[78/84 guy]

So tickets are $160. And the last tour they pulled in $96 mill. Yeah it's a moneygrab.

Are they worth it, this time around?
(Some folks may justify it saying "Look at what the other band from that era charge.")

Dave has had his struggles but fucking A right it was worth it ! Ed's playing alone was worth it. I'm sure alot of the sloppiness of the band in the early days was because of drinking and whatever else, but this is the tightest the band has ever been. Wolf knows what he is doing with a bass ! Al always plays great. I would go see them again, no question about it. I don't think I thought that after seeing them in 07. That show was good but didn't blow me away.