Van Halen 'Live...Right Here, Right Now' happened to block Dave.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

But at the time, they were better than anything for the 11 years preceding them.

Been a few years since I dusted this one off....

I have to compare it to Eddie Murphy's "Ritz Cracker" bit in Raw, and I'll mix it in with this topic;

If you're starving (VH fans) and somebody throw you a cracker (new songs),

you gonna be like this:

"Goddamn, that's the best cracker I ever ate in my life!"

"That ain't no regular cracker, was it? What was that, a Saltine?"

"Goddamn, that was delicious."

"That wasn't no Saltine. That was... That was a Ritz. That wasn't a Ritz?"

"God, that was the best cracker I ever ate in my life."

"Can I have another one, please? Please, one more."

[sadaist]

I was ready to accept Sam in VH...until he started the Dave bashing. Fuck him.

Yes. Sammy joined in with the sisters with the Dave bashing long before Dave said anything. I was at the 5150 concert and saw it.

[Heater]

Have to consider all the facts in evidence, Bleater.....

Balance had all the radio airplay in the world and still sold less than F.U.C.K.

ADKOT had no airplay at all (at least not around here) very little promotion from Universal/Interscope, but everybody who heard the album loved it. Except for sheep like you, who can't handle the lack of cheese ballads.

See, its your little digs based on mere assumption and reliance on name calling that undermine your analytical brilliance. And you loved ADKOT before you heard any of it. You already love their next song or songs that may not even be recorded. YOU, my nervous little friend, are a sheep. Steeped in denial that Roth has lost it.u

[FORD]

Stay Frosty, Bleater.......

[sonrisa salvaje]

See, its your little digs based on mere assumption and reliance on name calling that undermine your analytical brilliance. And you loved ADKOT before you heard any of it. You already love their next song or songs that may not even be recorded. YOU, my nervous little friend, are a sheep. Steeped in denial that Roth has lost it.u

I would like to know from you what Van Hagar tunes stand on their own merit to which one could say, "that was really killer." There is no doubt that Van Hagar records had sales. Quality was the ingredient i could never find so i wish you would point me in the direction of where you found it in that body of work. Complete this sentence for me....The songs ___________ and ______________ point to why Sammy Hagar was a solid replacement for Dave and belongs in the HOF with the classic line up.

As for Dave having "lost it" i would disagree but i suppose one would have to have had it to begin with in order to lose it. I would contend Sammy never had it.

[Angel]

^^^ You are a fucking imbecile. He sounded like a new gf dissing the old one. Extremely unprofessional and a scumbag move. I stand by my values and don't give my $ to assholes.

I didn't decide I didn't like them because of what he said, nor did I say that in my post. Nice spin though...did you get dizzy?

The shit pop music he created with the band made it that much easier.

Speaking of lack of intellect...your post exudes it. Now go stick your dick in a blender and turn it on high.

[Heater]

I would like to know from you what Van Hagar tunes stand on their own merit to which one could say, "that was really killer." There is no doubt that Van Hagar records had sales. Quality was the ingredient i could never find so i wish you would point me in the direction of where you found it in that body of work. Complete this sentence for me....The songs ___________ and ______________ point to why Sammy Hagar was a solid replacement for Dave and belongs in the HOF with the classic line up.

As for Dave having "lost it" i would disagree but i suppose one would have to have had it to begin with in order to lose it. I would contend Sammy never had it.

Never said Sam was better than Dave, but Ed wrote some good music while Hagar was in the band. The knee jerk response of "it isnt Dave, it sucks" prohibits any true debate about good songs or quality music. Dave has lost it, however. He has been in a nosedive since 1990 or so, when he realized leaving VH was a bad move. He consistently sucks live anymore, has turned himself into a caricature of his former self and as a singer is anymore a product of studio technology.
Much of the anger at Hagar is misplaced agression over how disappointing DRo (oh Dave, you so hip) has turned out to be.

[twonabomber]

Never said Sam was better than Dave

Not in this thread, yet. But I'm sure it's coming.

but Ed wrote some good music while Hagar was in the band.

The music isn't the problem...it's the lyrics!

Much of the anger at Hagar is misplaced agression over how disappointing DRo (oh Dave, you so hip) has turned out to be.

This has my early nomination of Dumbest Post of 2014.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Never said Sam was better than Dave, but Ed wrote some good music while Hagar was in the band. The knee jerk response of "it isnt Dave, it sucks" prohibits any true debate about good songs or quality music. Dave has lost it, however. He has been in a nosedive since 1990 or so, when he realized leaving VH was a bad move. He consistently sucks live anymore, has turned himself into a caricature of his former self and as a singer is anymore a product of studio technology.
Much of the anger at Hagar is misplaced agression over how disappointing DRo (oh Dave, you so hip) has turned out to be.

hagar rocks?

[fraroc]

hagar rocks?

Hagar rocks?

Au contrare.

[VetteLS5]

Much of the anger at Hagar is misplaced agression over how disappointing DRo (oh Dave, you so hip) has turned out to be.

My aggression is correctly placed. Hagar is an abomination as a lyricist.

[sonrisa salvaje]

Never said Sam was better than Dave, but Ed wrote some good music while Hagar was in the band. The knee jerk response of "it isnt Dave, it sucks" prohibits any true debate about good songs or quality music. Dave has lost it, however. He has been in a nosedive since 1990 or so, when he realized leaving VH was a bad move. He consistently sucks live anymore, has turned himself into a caricature of his former self and as a singer is anymore a product of studio technology.
Much of the anger at Hagar is misplaced agression over how disappointing DRo (oh Dave, you so hip) has turned out to be.

Well i would agree that there were some decent riffs here and there during the Hagar era but you still didn't answer my question as to which songs you point to as the shining light. As for the supposed nosedive, you can only be referring to sales. There is no argument that Van Hagar outsold DLR solo but Dave won the quality battle hands down. EEAS hands down was better than any record Van Hagar ever made. I believe that ALAE was better than any record Van Hager made. I understand Skyscraper and YFLM can be argued due to the diverse content. Really, if you wanted to compare apples to apples you would have to compare the classic VH to the Hagar era and then compare DLR solo to the Hagar solo albums around the same time. I don't think you want to compare the likes of Marching to Mars to the DLR Band record do you? Pick your poison.

[VHscraps]

I can't reply to individual posts for some reason without being logged out every time I try, but in reply to Heater's point about sales of ADKOT - sure, ADKOT sold less than the Van Hagar albums, but every act who was around in the 70s-90s when sales were still buoyant sells less now.

When that is the case - i.e., you can't compare sales by volume in two eras - the only fair comparison is to look at where an album stands in the end of year bestselling album lists. I looked up ADKOT to check this some time ago, and I can't remember the exact spot where it ended up - maybe 40-something or 50-something bestselling album of the year (of the Top 100).

It was roughly equivalent to all Dave-era albums, and ranked higher than, e.g., Fair Warning. The only two albums that bucked the trend in the Dave-era of ending up in around the middle of that Top 100 end of year list were Van Halen II (Top 10 end of year) and 1984 (Top 5, end of year). Diver Down was something like number 50 in the end of year Top 100 for 1982, but as we know, it was a double platinum album in that year of release, so perhaps ADKOT's nearly half million is roughly equivalent to a double platinum album in the band's Dave-era.

People like Springsteen aren't selling measurably more than VH, and he sold a lot more in the past as well.

The market has changed. People don't really buy albums - simple as that, but competing like for like against current albums in the 2012 marketplace, ADKOT performed about the same (in year of release) as all but their best-sellers out of the box - VH1 sold its millions over a longer period of time.

[chuckjitsu]

Until i'd read that article, i'd never heard/read that Dave tried to force Warner Bros. into releasing a greatest hits package. What leverage would he have even had to do that in the first place? And frankly, who gives a fuck? Right. Nobody. Bottom line, Sam's out, Dave's in. Everything is as it should be.

[VHscraps]

Following my previous post on where ADKOT ranks, and whether it was a failure in sales terms, etc. ... here's some quick, beer-fueled numbers from Billboard's end of year issues that I could find. These are on Google Books, but only run from 1980 to 1986 in anything close to a comprehensive list (although I found the end of '79 issue). There are no year end issues to look at after this that coincide with Van Hagar albums, aside from 1986, so who knows where the other albums ended up ended up.


Top 100 Albums of the Year (Dave-era albums) in order of ranking.

No. 06 - '1984' (1984)
No. 15 - 'Van Halen' (in 1979's end of year Top 100)
No. 38 - 'Van Halen II' (1979) - with the two albums, VH were overall No. 5 Top Album Artist of 1979
No. 51 - 'Women and Children First' (1980)
No. 51 - 'Crazy From the Heat' (1985) -- Dave was still in the band when it came out, so I list it here
No. 60 - 'Diver Down' (1982)
No. 66 - 'A Different Kind of Truth' (2012)
No. 71 - 'Fair Warning' (1981)

Diver Down was double-platinum in year of release, I think, and Fair Warning platinum - so, you could reasonably argue that while ADKOT did not go platinum, it's performance is roughly equivalent to a platinum / double platinum album of the band's golden years.

Van Hagar

No. 14 - '5150' (1986)