Tapes that kill

[Nickdfresh]

People get old. I’m not expecting some rock and roller in their 70’s to be good. A few can pull it off.

Many can to an extent, but it depends on the length of tour and venues....

[Terry]

People get old. I’m not expecting some rock and roller in their 70’s to be good. A few can pull it off.

I'm not expecting rock and rollers in their 70's to be good, either.

Thus, I'm not shelling out more money for tickets to see them now (and I'm talking far more money than I paid to see them back in the day even when adjusted upward for inflation) when they're not as good. Because it's not worth more to me to see a band that isn't as good as they were forty years ago. Matters not, because there's no shortage of - as you say - nostalgia drunk idol worshippers who are willing to keep paying whatever to see these old rock and rollers, because "it may be the last time" or whatnot.

I'd sooner give Rock In A Hard Place a spin than feather Aerosmith's retirement nest...mostly because I think RIAHP is a great album (I'll take just about any track on that offering over the best of what Aerosmith came up with post-Done With Mirrors).

[Terry]

I realize that's a dig but I'll still probably read this (or borrow if my library gets it) when it comes out:

Livin' On A Prayer: Big Songs Big Life

https://www.amazon.com/Livin-Prayer-Big-Songs-Life/dp/1635768535

Figure it'll have a coupla good stories.

I'd opt for borrowing it were I of the mind to read it at all.

[So this is love]

And who knows what will happen to Tyler between now and January, a relapse? Decent tickets lower bowl are around $500. each here that's a $1,000 just for tickets to see a 70 year old attempt at Karaoke, I considered it for a second and then I came back to my senses.

[twonabomber]

You know, back when Aerosmith were still cool...before they hooked up with the likes of Desmond Child and John Kalodner.

Have no interest in an Aerosmith tour. As much as I like the Black Crowes, I'm not going to watch the Robinson brothers with a bunch of other guys. If it was a reunion of the Southern Harmony era band, sure. Or even if Steve Gorman was included, but after his book, I'm pretty sure the brothers don't want anything to do with him.

[silverfish]

...before they hooked up with the likes of Desmond Child ...

I realize that's a dig but I'll still probably read this (or borrow if my library gets it) when it comes out:

Livin' On A Prayer: Big Songs Big Life

https://www.amazon.com/Livin-Prayer-Big-Songs-Life/dp/1635768535

Figure it'll have a coupla good stories.

[Nitro Express]

People get old. I’m not expecting some rock and roller in their 70’s to be good. A few can pull it off.

[Nitro Express]

Audiences are too polite these days, 'specially at rock concerts featuring old bands. I'm guessing because the audiences at those shows are on average 50+ years old themselves and want a night out with a glimmer of nostalgia: they want that old feeling to the point where they will accept fractions of an original or definitive lineup and will tolerate instruments being tuned down to accommodate aging singers. Or singers who can't sing worth a shit anymore. Or bands playing to backing tapes.

I don't blame the bands anymore for pulling these cheesy tricks to barely get by via their live performances. I blame the audiences for showing up year after year and tour after tour and tolerating the contempt these wheezing icons of yesteryear have for them: why the fuck SHOULD these bands try any harder when they're getting by just fine half-assing it?

John 5 is doing a job. Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

What’s scary is when the beyond the sell date sucky has beens really do a shitty show and the nostalgia drunk idol worshippers still think it’s great. That’s some delusional shit.

[Nitro Express]

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

That’s some lame shit. Hell we just went to shows because it was 15 bucks and something to do.

[Terry]

I guess Aerosmith is coming here in January and for a second I entertained buying tickets then realized I had no desire to see Airoband...

Yet another gaggle of wheezing geezers cashing in on a "farewell tour"...

I kinda liked them better back in the early-to-mid 1980s when they were still fucked up. First time I saw 'em in 1985 Tyler came out swigging on Heineken and drunkenly stumbled throughout the show, failing to hit every high note and looking gray as 5-day old Arby's roast beef. About a year before that Run-D.M.C. collaboration. The crowd on the floor was in a brawling mood: literally recall somebody swinging a large chain over their head and striking other people in the floor area, which started a round of fistfights. Back when Aerosmith's audience were a rough bunch...I remember the kind of girls who liked Steven Tyler back then were the girls who came from working-class families, and these girls would wear very tight blue jeans with holes in them to school and loose-fitting concert t-shirts (with no bras) and a LOT of mascara. Poor, slutty girls who definitely weren't sitting home on school nights hoping the captain of the football team would ask them out to homecoming.

You know, back when Aerosmith were still cool...before they hooked up with the likes of Desmond Child and John Kalodner.

[Terry]

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

I suppose part of it is these pop metal-lite 80s hair bands (we never called them hair bands back then, but whatever) were at their peak when they were in their twenties in terms of energy, ability and endurance. So it shouldn't at all be surprising that they simply can't rouse themselves physically as they get older and conjure up what is needed to recreate what they did when they were young men...that music was never designed to age well.

But that whole genre has gone beyond the stage of that late-Elvis phase, where Presley in the last few years of his life was just this bloated joke cashing in on nostalgia while occasionally half-assedly trying to display some flashes of what turned people onto him the first place.

However, same as with Elvis I don't blame these relics from the 1980s continuing to wheeze around up onstage, but I don't even consider them as fleecing their audiences; unlike the last years of Elvis, potential ticket buyers these days can know exactly what they're getting re: current live capabilities via free streaming. So it isn't a fleecing in that sheep require herding whereas these audiences willingly pay to see these sad spectacles.

I may well be out of step or out of touch or whatever, but I still have a level of expectation for my ticket dollars. When I saw in 2012 that Roth could no longer cut it to my standards, I stopped going to see him since for me the concert IS still about the music and the show. I dunno...I just reach a point where I can only give so many concessions for an artist's age and my nostalgia jones no longer surpasses the ROI a concert ticket provides.

[Nickdfresh]

I guess Aerosmith is coming here in January and for a second I entertained buying tickets then realized I had no desire to see Airoband...

[Von Halen]

Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

A big majority of the fans going to these shows these days, just want to be able to claim on social media they saw Motley Crue, or whatever band. They may like the music, but they aren't invested in the band the way we were invested in our favorite bands. This is obvious by all the bands selling plenty of tickets when they barely have original members, if they have any at all. People are going to these shows as a status symbol for social media, and to party.

I have a buddy that's dating a much younger woman. She hates the shows, but goes because he loves them, and because she wants to brag about it on her Facebook page. My gal loves rock and blues shows, but not some of the metal shows I like. She goes to the rock and blues shows with me and loves them as much as I do, but I go by myself or with a friend to the real heavy stuff. Of course, we don't do FB and aren't plastering our lives all over social media either.

Concerts today are more about the individual attending than the music or show itself. IMO

[Terry]

Anyways the people selling all this shit are totally confident the general public are so stupid they can get away with it. Nobody is throwing shit. In the old days a pissed off audience would tear you to shreds. Nowadays everyone stands there looking into a phone.

Audiences are too polite these days, 'specially at rock concerts featuring old bands. I'm guessing because the audiences at those shows are on average 50+ years old themselves and want a night out with a glimmer of nostalgia: they want that old feeling to the point where they will accept fractions of an original or definitive lineup and will tolerate instruments being tuned down to accommodate aging singers. Or singers who can't sing worth a shit anymore. Or bands playing to backing tapes.

I don't blame the bands anymore for pulling these cheesy tricks to barely get by via their live performances. I blame the audiences for showing up year after year and tour after tour and tolerating the contempt these wheezing icons of yesteryear have for them: why the fuck SHOULD these bands try any harder when they're getting by just fine half-assing it?

John 5 is doing a job. Motley Crue fans eat shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't accept the level of musicianship onstage. Clearly, the fans must be happy with what they're getting because they keep coming back for more.

[Nitro Express]

I never liked Motley Crue anyways. First time I saw them was at the 83 US Festival. I thought they looked stupid. They really look stupid now.