How America's Catholic Church crucified itself

[LoungeMachine]

Well I'm off to break 3 or 4 commandments......

I'll toss a few in your honor, E.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD

Remember when Jesus was about to ascend to Heaven, and He said He was going to visit "other sheep which are not of this fold"?

I don't have that in my version. What version of the Bible are you using?

[ELVIS]

What one are you using ??

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What one are you using ??

I have a New American Bible and the New International Version

[ELVIS]

I use NIV, but I compare it to King James, and I also use the Message Bible...

[Ally_Kat]

My father has a King James upstairs in his dresser, but it's about the fall apart. It's over 50 yrs old.

My New American Bible is in pieces cuz I used it to death in elementary school. At least the Lutherans had some sense giving us a Bible with a hard cover.

I need to get a new New American one.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
Jesus was a Jewish man playing to a Jewish crowd. What else would He have quoted?

Remember when Jesus was about to ascend to Heaven, and He said He was going to visit "other sheep which are not of this fold"?

The Bible doesn't explain that comment fully, but the obvious interpretation is that Jesus was going to visit other people in some location other than Israel. It could have been on the American continents, as the Book of Mormon suggests, or it could have been another planet entirely. So if Jesus went to another civilization where the Jewish Old Testament scriptures were completely unknown, why would He quote those scriptures at all? They wouldn't mean anything to a culture completely unfamiliar with them.

So then what would Jesus have done? Maybe he would have rephrased his teachings in a way that fit the culture and the history of those people?

Jesus was referring to Gentiles when he spoke of sheep that are not of the this fold.

His message wasn't just to the Jews, but to all of humanity.

Jesus wasn't about to ascend to heaven in John 10:16. He was speaking a parable at the time. He was never talking about physically visiting any of these other sheep.

Jesus quote the Old Testament to the Jews because it's God's Word.

John 10:1-18

1 “Most certainly, I tell you, one who doesn’t enter by the door into the sheep fold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But one who enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out. 4 Whenever he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 They will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him; for they don’t know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus spoke this parable to them, but they didn’t understand what he was telling them.

7 Jesus therefore said to them again, “Most certainly, I tell you, I am the sheep’s door. 8A ll who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture. 10 The thief only comes to steal, kill, and destroy. I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd.a The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who doesn’t own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the sheep, and flees. The wolf snatches the sheep, and scatters them. 13 The hired hand flees because he is a hired hand, and doesn’t care for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and I’m known by my own; 15 even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold.b I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd. 17 Therefore the Father loves me, because I lay down my life,c that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ELVIS
What one are you using ??

I like the NIV myself.

[Cathedral]

Today would be an outstanding day for Jesus to return...and if not today, tomorrow, or any day after that as long as it is soon.

[kentuckyklira]

Cheap Bibles = excellent toilet paper

[FORD]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
Cheap Bibles = excellent toilet paper

Nah, here's a better choice.....

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by FORD
Nah, here's a better choice.....

Good call!:D

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Katydid
I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T ALLOW RELIGION IN THESE THREADS.

ESPECIALLY THREADS STARTED BY OPEN DEVIL WORSHIPERS WHO LOVE BEASTALITY.

THAT IS CORRECT YOU FUCKING WHORE, THAT IS WHY ALL OF YOUR RELIGIOUS THREADS HAVE BEEN DELETED!

[Nitro Express]

I'm agnostic. I'm comfortable just not knowing. I can't deny the existance of a God and really don't want to, so I was never comfortable being an athiest.

For me organized religion is just another form of politics.

Being raised Mormon I saw many in the faith lived a double standard. The church has unusually high standards that are hard to keep and the reality is most members fudge here and there and become excellent liars.

Many only stay in the church because it's good for business or to not be cut off from the family fortune.

I attended BYU my freshman year and got more ass than a toilet seat. Kids were fucking all over the place but come Sunday, the spiritual charade was masturfully played. Funny, when I transfered up to the University of Washington in Seattle I realized it was easier to get a piece of fine ass at BYU than it was at UW. No shit.

But remember when Dave wrote about the groupies in Salt Lake City in his book? No shit, he was fucking right! You deffinately can press some pussy in Utah! I guess we have religion to make sin that much funner! Heh Heh

[Warham]

Even the Beach Boys did a number about Salt Lake City.

Must have been a prime spot.