Terry Schiavo

[FORD]

Originally posted by tomballin
Actually a lot of the manufactured Terri bull shite out there comes from Free Republic Network, www.freerepublic.com.

A lot of those flakes think Randall Terry is Jesus.

A bunch of fooking terrorists. They bomb the shite out of websites they don't like, email bomb anybody they don't like, for example in the media anyone this is not God's devine Fox News Network, etc.

Yep, that describes the Freepazoids alright. Not surprised that Randall Terry is their hero. That stupid fuck has less of a functional brain than Terri Schiavo does.

But where she has spinal fluid, his is only pure hatred. A fact which he readily admits to his followers (but not when the cameras are rolling)

[FORD]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Uh, yeah, I understood what Sharkie said. He said God was out of it cuz man took over in this case and I disagreed saying that God is all-powerful and that He'll get what He wants one way or the other. Nick made it out that I was saying God only gets His way with this and it wasn't applied to the other cases around the world. And I said that my comment was about everything that goes on this lil blue and green sphere. Man cannot take power away from God in anything. For those that believe, there is only one being that gets the last laugh in the end.

Even Jesus, who was suppose to come save us and set this example for us, healed the sick. And on the Sabbath, too! And from the dead! If He was going against God's will, we are all screwed.

But when Jesus raised Lazurus from the dead, he'd only been down 4 days. The guy smelled kinda funny (which the Bible even documents) but other than that, all his body parts were more or less intact.

Jesus didn't raise anybody who had been dead 15 years. Not to say He couldn't, but if He was going to do so, He's certainly had plenty of opportunity.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD
But when Jesus raised Lazurus from the dead, he'd only been down 4 days. The guy smelled kinda funny (which the Bible even documents) but other than that, all his body parts were more or less intact.

Jesus didn't raise anybody who had been dead 15 years. Not to say He couldn't, but if He was going to do so, He's certainly had plenty of opportunity.

Yeah, I know. I'm not really gunning to keep her on life support. It's just that the news clips I catch don't really look like someone who is brain dead. That's the only thing that bothers me on a human level. I just pray whatever does happen is for the best.

And then on a spiritual level, her body is still alive and so her soul is still there, which means she's watching and feeling this all go on. Hell, Scott Peterson isn't going to starve to death. There's no other way to do this if it's going to be decided to go the death route?

[tomballin]

Originally posted by FORD
Yep, that describes the Freepazoids alright. Not surprised that Randall Terry is their hero. That stupid fuck has less of a functional brain than Terri Schiavo does.

But where she has spinal fluid, his is only pure hatred. A fact which he readily admits to his followers (but not when the cameras are rolling)

A lot of people don’t know the insides of this case, because they were smart enough to not get involved, lol, but

in 2003, Jeb Bush and the Florida Legis was not going to touch this Schiavo deal, and they were going to let her die the last time her tube was removed.

The week Terry’s tube was pulled the Fl Legis came into special session for approval of the new Scripps Research Center in Palm Beach that the State of Fl was kicking in $1/3 of a billion to get Scripps to do the deal.

The Free Republic Network, and Randall Terry interests, just bombed the hell out of the phone lines, email addys, etc. for Jeb’s Office, key FL Admin officials, all the Fl Legis, etc. and protested the hell out of that deal at the Capital and the Hospice. A lot of Christian groups even got involved and yes even many interests from the PVS lobby.

The Scripps executives get in town and where put off by all this situation, plus the FRN jamming the phones and email systems where making it hard for the Fl Legis and Jeb to do business.

All of a sudden prick boy Jeb and the Fl Legis did a 180, and jumped in there to help Terri, to get this situation closed before they lost the Scripps crown jewel deal.

Had this not happened, Terri would have died in 2003. Swear to God, true damn story.

Frankly, I thought it was pretty cool they shoved it up Jeb’s and the Florida politicians’ rosy asses.

[Cathedral]

Does anyone understand the difference between "Living" and "Existing"?

Existing (IS NOT) Living..............

Bush said we should alwayse Err on the side of Life, Ok, I agree with that. But Terri is not living, she is existing.
So they are basically erring on the side of Existing, not Living.

See the difference?

Tom DeLay says, "Terri is as alive as you and me"...Oh really? So Tom, when was the last time you couldn't get up out of bed and do whatever the hell you wanted to to express interest or desire in something?
When was the last time your meal came from a tube stuck into your body?
When is the last time you couldn't answer a question? (Ok, this isn't a good example for a him)

Ya know, I really admire how everyone has an opinion on this, and how much they care for this woman they don't even know.

But i also don't see any documantation that proves Michael to be anything but a man who has been through hell, and it all began with his wife collapsing and NOT being able to be a wife, companion, lover, mother or a participating member of their union.
All i have heard is a bunch of hear-say, no evidence of a crime has been presented. So iask eveyone, Since when are we guilty until proven innocent?

The real travesty is that everyone bitches for years that our judges don't rule by the definition of law, but in this case they want them to rule from the heart to the extent that some judges get thrown out of church's they are members of for doing their job, ruling by the law.

Jesus Christ was crucified pretty much under the same circumstances.

So you want to level your morality onto Michael Schiavo based on what people say but can't prove?
The nurse on TV looked like a dear in the ehadlights when she was asked, "Why Now? - Why weren't you more vocal about your claims before now?"
Her answer was, "I was, I started speaking the truth in 2003"...2003?
But this shit happened in 1997, what, there weren't cameras around to film your fat ass for 6 years, so you said nothing?

Like Ally_Kat, I just hope that whatever happens is the right thing for Terri's body that is currently in a state of existance.
But since i'm not a spirit, i cannot determine if her soul is still present or flew to be with God 15 years ago.

One thing is clear to me, she is a victim in a domestic tug of war between two factions of a family that both have valid points and commendable feelings for their family member.

But, only one has the legal right to make the final decision thus far, and he holds that right because of marriage because when we marry, we become ONE FLESH with each other under God.
Half of Michael Schiavo is laying in a state of existance under God's law of marriage. I think the scripture enforces his right to determine the length of her suffering. He can continue it, or terminate it, and so far every court has basically backed up that principle.

Sure, he has moved on, but what would you do in his position?
You can call him what you want, But I believe only God reserves the right to judge him for his iniquities, not the press and certainly not society.
Society should look long and hard in their mirrors, because they were born into sin and are no more or less the sinner they chastize Michael Schiavo for being.
It is blatent Hypocrasy being practiced by every damn one of us posting opinions on this situation.

Now, let's remove God from the equation and look at this from a realistic governmental viewpoint.
It takes approximately $80,000 a month to keep Terri's body in existance, what would happen to our economy if we were to apply Terri's Law to every PVS Patient in our Nation?
Sure, we'd "ERR" on the side of life as it was put by President Bush, but Medicaid would go bankrupt because they are the one's paying Terri's medical bills.
And what of those who are being kept alive by their own insurance policies?
Apply Terri's Law to them and not a single person would be able to provide Health Care to their families because Premiums would have no other option but to go through the roof.

You think the cost of Health Care is high now?

There will be no winners in this at all.
Just pray for Terri, and have hope that what happens will be what is supposed to happen.
Like Ally_Kat posted, It will only happen according to God's Will, not ours or any doctors, but God's Will, and His Will Alone.

God Blesses Everyone!
The Believer and Non-Believer Alike...........

[tomballin]

>>It takes approximately $80,000 a month to keep
>>Terri's body in existance, what would happen to our
>>economy if we were to apply Terri's Law to every PVS
>>Patient in our Nation?

Just a counter-point, nothing more.

$80,000 a month is total bullshit. A year maybe, if she is living at Trump Plaza.

Healthy PVS's maintained at home are pretty cheap to maintain at Terry's age. In fact they cost less than a normal healthy person. I mean there's not much to do, think about it.

Also, the Schindlers would easily get $300-500,000 from the religious right without problem to take care of her.

Of course, I would personally raise hell, if they were not over-seen by a court appointed doctor on the deal, for at least the first year.

This stuff with PVS family members is soooooo personal, and frankly sometimes wierd to any outsider.

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On other matters, the U.S. Justice Department came in with both guns today and filed with the 11th Circuit Court in behalf of the new Terri's law, to try and enforce it at the judicial level. See what happens.

Not bad free legal help, when you can get it.

Roth On


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Originally posted by Cathedral
Does anyone understand the difference between "Living" and "Existing"?

Existing (IS NOT) Living..............

Bush said we should alwayse Err on the side of Life, Ok, I agree with that. But Terri is not living, she is existing.
So they are basically erring on the side of Existing, not Living.

See the difference?

Tom DeLay says, "Terri is as alive as you and me"...Oh really? So Tom, when was the last time you couldn't get up out of bed and do whatever the hell you wanted to to express interest or desire in something?
When was the last time your meal came from a tube stuck into your body?
When is the last time you couldn't answer a question? (Ok, this isn't a good example for a him)

Ya know, I really admire how everyone has an opinion on this, and how much they care for this woman they don't even know.

But i also don't see any documantation that proves Michael to be anything but a man who has been through hell, and it all began with his wife collapsing and NOT being able to be a wife, companion, lover, mother or a participating member of their union.
All i have heard is a bunch of hear-say, no evidence of a crime has been presented. So iask eveyone, Since when are we guilty until proven innocent?

The real travesty is that everyone bitches for years that our judges don't rule by the definition of law, but in this case they want them to rule from the heart to the extent that some judges get thrown out of church's they are members of for doing their job, ruling by the law.

Jesus Christ was crucified pretty much under the same circumstances.

So you want to level your morality onto Michael Schiavo based on what people say but can't prove?
The nurse on TV looked like a dear in the ehadlights when she was asked, "Why Now? - Why weren't you more vocal about your claims before now?"
Her answer was, "I was, I started speaking the truth in 2003"...2003?
But this shit happened in 1997, what, there weren't cameras around to film your fat ass for 6 years, so you said nothing?

Like Ally_Kat, I just hope that whatever happens is the right thing for Terri's body that is currently in a state of existance.
But since i'm not a spirit, i cannot determine if her soul is still present or flew to be with God 15 years ago.

One thing is clear to me, she is a victim in a domestic tug of war between two factions of a family that both have valid points and commendable feelings for their family member.

But, only one has the legal right to make the final decision thus far, and he holds that right because of marriage because when we marry, we become ONE FLESH with each other under God.
Half of Michael Schiavo is laying in a state of existance under God's law of marriage. I think the scripture enforces his right to determine the length of her suffering. He can continue it, or terminate it, and so far every court has basically backed up that principle.

Sure, he has moved on, but what would you do in his position?
You can call him what you want, But I believe only God reserves the right to judge him for his iniquities, not the press and certainly not society.
Society should look long and hard in their mirrors, because they were born into sin and are no more or less the sinner they chastize Michael Schiavo for being.
It is blatent Hypocrasy being practiced by every damn one of us posting opinions on this situation.

Now, let's remove God from the equation and look at this from a realistic governmental viewpoint.
It takes approximately $80,000 a month to keep Terri's body in existance, what would happen to our economy if we were to apply Terri's Law to every PVS Patient in our Nation?
Sure, we'd "ERR" on the side of life as it was put by President Bush, but Medicaid would go bankrupt because they are the one's paying Terri's medical bills.
And what of those who are being kept alive by their own insurance policies?
Apply Terri's Law to them and not a single person would be able to provide Health Care to their families because Premiums would have no other option but to go through the roof.

You think the cost of Health Care is high now?

There will be no winners in this at all.
Just pray for Terri, and have hope that what happens will be what is supposed to happen.
Like Ally_Kat posted, It will only happen according to God's Will, not ours or any doctors, but God's Will, and His Will Alone.

God Blesses Everyone!
The Believer and Non-Believer Alike...........

[tomballin]

Gee no faster than I made the above post, the judgement came in.

So much for the U.S. Justice Department.

ATLANTA, Georgia -- A three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals early Wednesday declined to order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

The vote was 2 to 1.

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There you have it. However with 1 desenting vote, it makes it an appeal to the Supreme Court, but no one thinks they will hear it.

[tomballin]

In reading through the full brief, Judge Charles Wilson just rips the deal, strongly dissented, against the other two Judges.

Well, it has to give Terri's attorney some hope, if they can get it heard before a higher Bar.

I pray to God this women doesn't die on Easter Sunday. When you get to 10 days and on, they can really go quick, and Easter is the 10th day of starving her.

shite, shite, shite!

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
But when Jesus raised Lazurus from the dead, he'd only been down 4 days. The guy smelled kinda funny (which the Bible even documents) but other than that, all his body parts were more or less intact.

Jesus didn't raise anybody who had been dead 15 years. Not to say He couldn't, but if He was going to do so, He's certainly had plenty of opportunity.

Only thing is...Lazarus hadn't breathed for those days he was dead.

[Warham]

Cath,

If it was God's will that Terry should be dead already, she could have went already without the feeding tube being removed.

If God really wanted her to stop breathing, he could have stopped her from breathing.

I wish folks would can it with the 'it's God's will for her to go'.

Nobody knows what His will is.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Warham
Cath,

If it was God's will that Terry should be dead already, she could have went already without the feeding tube being removed.

If God really wanted her to stop breathing, he could have stopped her from breathing.

I wish folks would can it with the 'it's God's will for her to go'.

Nobody knows what His will is.

I didn't state it was God's Will for her to go, I stated that whatever happens WILL be God's Will.

I wish people who can't quote people accurately would can it.

And i meant to say $80,000 a year, not a month, so i'll go can it myself according to my own frustration.

I'll not make any more posts on this subject, my point of view is clear to myself and everyone with reading comprehension skills.

Peace..................

[Warham]

Cath,

I never quoted you to begin with. I started by directing it towards you, then the intention was to be more general.

What would the scriptures say about him living with another gal with two kids while his wife is lying in that bed? I think God might have a problem with that. For better or worse...

I don't think you can use the scriptures on any moral ground for the guy, especially for the last ten years.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Warham
Cath,

If it was God's will that Terry should be dead already, she could have went already without the feeding tube being removed.

If God really wanted her to stop breathing, he could have stopped her from breathing.

That's right...

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
That's right...

C'mon Elvis....

I expect this ignorance from Warham and he's exceeded the expectations. But you're a nurse. You know the medical reality here, or at least you should.

The woman's brain is nothing but a sack of spinal fluid. She's not in pain, she's not aware of what's going on around her. She is a vegetable, and it's not a reversible condition.

With that being the medical reality, how can you possibly believe that Jesus would want her soul trapped in that empty shell, with no hope of recovery?

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by FORD
The woman's brain is nothing but a sack of spinal fluid. She's not in pain, she's not aware of what's going on around her.

I disagree with that...

She appears to be aleart from what I've seen...

With that being the medical reality, how can you possibly believe that Jesus would want her soul trapped in that empty shell, with no hope of recovery?

Are you suggesting that Jesus is not in control of the situation ??