Obama may drop Govt. Health Care

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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32798

    #46
    Obama is a great public personality. He's a good salesman. But it all starts to look thin when the thinking people ask specific questions and he has no specific answers and those answers contradict each other. He's very good at making everyone feel comfortable, brings in a friendly atmosphere, he's your buddy but yet remains presidential. The thing is the hallaluja fest is wearing thing when we have lost 2.5 million jobs since he's come into office and people see the bankers buy out was a scam. People aren't buying it anymore.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32798

      #47
      People are getting sick of politicians period.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58813

        #48
        Originally posted by sadaist
        I agree. But Obama picking that as his analogy was a bad choice. That's what happens when he doesn't have a teleprompter with someone elses words for him.
        His analogy was that the Post Office (self-contained federal government agency) was able to compete against the private companies (UPS/FedEx/etc.) and that much is true. It's not the private companies that are causing the problems for the US Postal Service, it's the fact that people don't send a lot of paper back and forth anymore.

        When they do, it's usually an overnight document, and while the Post Office does have their own Express Mail Service that competes on the level that UPS or FedEx do, I can't say they do it better. I used to manage the shipping for a small software company, and we only used Express Mail Service as a last resort when there was some odd reason the other companies couldn't do it. (i.e. UPS & FedEx won't do anything without a street address) Priority Mail is still a pretty good deal though, if your shipment isn't absolutely time crucial.

        But none of this is really analogous at all to the health care crisis. Other than the fact that the corporate insurance companies KNOW that they would lose their asses to a public option if they didn't change their criminal practices. And that's exactly why they fear it so much.
        Eat Us And Smile

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        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • WACF
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jan 2004
          • 2920

          #49
          Originally posted by ELVIS
          Well, that needs to change, within the market!

          If you want health insurance, sell an SUV, stop the constant home upgrades, eat out less than six times a month and PAY FOR IT!

          You're going to anyway if the government takes control...

          It's not like that man.

          look North.

          The government controls our health care through our tax dollars.

          There are lots of SUVs, Home reno stores and contractors, more restraunts than anyone should require and the sky is full of jets heading around the world.

          We are not suffering because of it.

          like you we have rich and poor.

          Pull up to the gas pumps and you see who drives what...pull up to the hospital and the beds are all the same.

          Don't fear it man...try and shape it to what is good for you and those around you.

          You have the chance now to make it into something.

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            #50
            Actually Obama can think on his feet pretty good. He's not the bumbling idiot Bush was. The thing is, unless you are really in the drivers seat and have your own agenda, you start to contradict yourself. Just like keeping lies straight. Obama was contradicting himself in Montana by saying first the health care plan was to compete and then later saying it was to negotiate better prices. It can't be both. Obama was skillfully matching his real time answer to the person asking the question.

            The main strategy was to put Obama out there and have him win people over. He went to states where he has some opposition. When that didn't work, they are regrouping and coming up with another plan. All the Democrats know how to do at this point is get Obama out there and call their opposition names. Obama is their string leader and once he starts to lose credbility they don't know what to do.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • WACF
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2920

              #51
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Actually Obama can think on his feet pretty good. He's not the bumbling idiot Bush was. The thing is, unless you are really in the drivers seat and have your own agenda, you start to contradict yourself. Just like keeping lies straight. Obama was contradicting himself in Montana by saying first the health care plan was to compete and then later saying it was to negotiate better prices. It can't be both. Obama was skillfully matching his real time answer to the person asking the question.

              The main strategy was to put Obama out there and have him win people over. He went to states where he has some opposition. When that didn't work, they are regrouping and coming up with another plan. All the Democrats know how to do at this point is get Obama out there and call their opposition names. Obama is their string leader and once he starts to lose credbility they don't know what to do.
              IF...and I do mean If...Obama's team actually knows what it wants...it is doing a terrible job of telling the poeple.

              It took canada decades to get where we are with it...you won't accomplish it in one bill.

              But...the Dems need to get educated on it...then educate you on it...then debate it...then put a bill forward.

              It really seems Obama is pushing something he is not entirely clear on...and the people opposed really don't even know what they are fighting against.

              In some ways...it really seems like people are voting against their own best interest.

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #52
                Well said....... for a CheeseHead.

                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58813

                  #53
                  Originally posted by WACF
                  IF...and I do mean If...Obama's team actually knows what it wants...it is doing a terrible job of telling the poeple.

                  It took canada decades to get where we are with it...you won't accomplish it in one bill.

                  But...the Dems need to get educated on it...then educate you on it...then debate it...then put a bill forward.

                  It really seems Obama is pushing something he is not entirely clear on...and the people opposed really don't even know what they are fighting against.

                  In some ways...it really seems like people are voting against their own best interest.
                  That's exactly what's happening. Between the corporate media spin, and the religious wackos telling these people that homosexuals are going to force them to have abortions, the "red states" have been voting against their own best interests for decades now. Despite the economic devastation in many of those same states. Despite the fact that these people are no better served by the current fucked up health care system than us "blue state libruls" are.

                  If the Repukes dropped their "God, Guns, and Gays" agenda, the red-staters would have to see them for the party of the 1% corporate rich that they truly are. As for the media.... well they take so much money from insurance companies and big pharma that they don't dare tell the truth.
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #54
                    Originally posted by FORD


                    If the Repukes dropped their "God, Guns, and Gays" agenda, the red-staters would have to see them for the party of the 1% corporate rich that they truly are. .
                    EXACTLY

                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49219

                      #55
                      Originally posted by ELVIS
                      Oh, it's not ??
                      Certainly not in the world of health insurance. It's essentially a small band of providers deciding what they want to charge, with rates skyrocketing at over two-and-a-half times the rate of inflation...

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                      • ELVIS
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 44120

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        He's not the bumbling idiot Bush was.
                        Bush wasn't a bumbling idiot, no more than Obama is a bumbling telepromptor reader...


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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Certainly not in the world of health insurance. It's essentially a small band of providers deciding what they want to charge, with rates skyrocketing at over two-and-a-half times the rate of inflation...
                          I'm not saying healthcare reform is not needed, but a government insurance plan will not help...

                          If it's regulated or suported by government, it should be on the state level, not federal...

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                          • bueno bob
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 22951

                            #58
                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            Bush wasn't a bumbling idiot,
                            There's a treasure trove of YouTube videos that clearly state otherwise...well, if his eight years as President isn't enough proof for you.
                            Twistin' by the pool.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49219

                              #59
                              Originally posted by ELVIS
                              I'm not saying healthcare reform is not needed, but a government insurance plan will not help...
                              How do you know?

                              If it's regulated or suported by government, it should be on the state level, not federal...

                              Why? So it can be sold to the highest bidder in Louisiana backrooms?
                              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 08-18-2009, 05:27 PM.

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                #60
                                What has the federal government done right in recent memory ??

                                And as far as Louisiana, Bobby Jindal is doing just fine...

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