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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    So, in reality there are restrictions on the First Amendment.
    No there is not. There are consequences for one's actions which may include spoken words...

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    • Igosplut
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Jan 2004
      • 2794

      Originally posted by jhale667
      Not really. I can't (literally) kill people via internet or text at 90 rounds a minute.
      I was talking about the interpretation of the Amendments as they are written, not the physical aspect of it.
      Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
        I'm pretty sure no legally registered guns have ever been confiscated within the United States.
        Ummm...

        Hurricane Katrina comes to mind...

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        • chefcraig
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Apr 2004
          • 12172

          Originally posted by Igosplut
          See my post above.
          To an extent, but my point is more toward the abundance of guns themselves. Granted, if you arrest one guy for possession of one gun, well great, that gets the single gun off the street. But what about the others the illegal seller (not the purchaser) has in his car trunk, or the hundreds he has at his warehouse? Multiply that one dealer by any number, and you see where the problem lies in any city of the nation.

          Like I said earlier, I'm unsure of what approach would remedy the situation. Years ago, municipalities were making deals where a person could trade in a weapon for a pair of sneakers on a day of brief amnesty. The law enforcement community made a big show in these townships of the guns that were retrieved, yet failed to make note of how many more weapons were truly out there, perhaps in the possession of the same people that decided to trade one of their less favored guns for a pair of shiny new Nikes.

          Like all things, legislation is not the be all and end all of solving a given situation. The effective implementation and follow through of the law is what will make a difference. And just how to implement such measures is the big question here.









          “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
          ― Stephen Hawking

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          • Igosplut
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Jan 2004
            • 2794

            Originally posted by ELVIS
            Ummm...

            Hurricane Katrina comes to mind...
            They have recently struck down laws aimed at "Disarming the public during times of martial law"

            Another example of how gun registration would work in reverse. The people being disarmed would only be the legal owners that obeyed the law and exactly the one's that would be put at most risk.
            Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              Originally posted by chefcraig
              I'm unsure of what approach would remedy the situation.
              Nothing. If anything, it would create a much larger problem. Look up prohibition...

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              • chefcraig
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Apr 2004
                • 12172

                Originally posted by ELVIS
                Nothing. If anything, it would create a much larger problem. Look up prohibition...
                You are equating people wanting to drink alcohol with wanting to shoot people? I guess I can see your point, as both serve to help cope with keeping the idiots away...









                “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                ― Stephen Hawking

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  I'm saying you will create a much larger black market than what already exists, and with that more organized crime will blossom...

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                  • chefcraig
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 12172

                    Originally posted by ELVIS
                    I'm saying you will create a much larger black market than what already exists, and with that more organized crime will blossom...
                    I know what you were saying, and I agree with you. I was just trying to add some levity to what is ultimately a hopeless, no-win situation.









                    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                    ― Stephen Hawking

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      The answer lies in rebuilding our society with a strong nuclear family unit as the core...

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35755

                        So now you want to give people the right to arm themselves with nukes?

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          Sure, why not...

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                          • chefcraig
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12172

                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            The answer lies in rebuilding our society with a strong nuclear family unit as the core...
                            I don't see that happening, man. Our society has become too fragmented, our attention span too narrow. Today families do not even get the chance to develop, as all you need to do to see this is acknowledge the amount of unwed or single mothers trying to raise kids today. Divorce isn't even in the cards, when many times the "father" of these children is long gone before they are even born. And what of women that choose not to be married? Isn't it their right to do so? What of same sex unions? Does this somehow fail as a recognizable nuclear family, and if so, who is making that assessment in the first place?

                            Sure, it would be great to revisit the days of Ozzy and Harriet or Leave It To Beaver. But this thinking also ignores the idea that not everyone was doing just wonderful in the fifties/early sixties, particularly minorities and women. Besides that, do you really think that the Andy Griffith show served as a model for a nuclear family? As I recall, Andy was a single dad, yet Ron Howard seems to have grown up fairly well.
                            Last edited by chefcraig; 03-05-2010, 11:53 AM.









                            “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                            ― Stephen Hawking

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                            • Igosplut
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2794

                              Originally posted by chefcraig
                              To an extent, but my point is more toward the abundance of guns themselves. Granted, if you arrest one guy for possession of one gun, well great, that gets the single gun off the street. But what about the others the illegal seller (not the purchaser) has in his car trunk, or the hundreds he has at his warehouse? Multiply that one dealer by any number, and you see where the problem lies in any city of the nation.
                              Again, if guys are selling out of their trunk they are violation of their FFLs (federal firearms license) and are basically criminals themselves (FFL regulations are strict no matter what is said, and that's what you need to sell firearms legally in any state).

                              Like I said earlier, I have no answers for the situation. Years ago, municipalities were making deals where a person could trade in a weapon for a pair of sneakers on a day of brief amnesty. The law enforcement community made a big show in these townships of the guns that were retrieved, yet failed to make note of how many more weapons were truly out there, perhaps in the possession of the same people that decided to trade one of their less favored guns for a pair of shiny new Nikes.
                              Good idea, but one that is only good for political publicity. Most of what's turned in are family heirlooms. Very few illegal guns are ever recovered this way.

                              Like all things, legislation is not the be all and end all of solving a given situation. The effective implementation and follow through of the law is what will make a difference. And just how to implement such measures is the big question here.
                              Exactly right...
                              Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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                              • sadaist
                                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 11625

                                Originally posted by chefcraig

                                Sure, it would be great to revisit the days of Ozzy and Harriet or Leave It To Beaver. But this thinking also ignores the idea that not everyone was doing just wonderful in the fifties/early sixties, particularly minorities and women. Besides that, do you really think that the Andy Griffith show served as a model for a nuclear family? As I recall, Andy was a single dad, yet Ron Howard seems to have grown up fairly well.

                                Okay, switch Ozzy & Harriet to The Cosby's and you can remove the minority argument and switch the decade to the 80's. And little Opies mom died, Andy wasn't "single". Aunt Bea filled the role of the mother influence on him.

                                FYI - Andy carried a loaded gun.
                                “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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