Court Hears Second Amendment Debate On City Ban

[chefcraig]

And little Opies mom died, Andy wasn't "single". Aunt Bea filled the role of the mother influence on him.

FYI - Andy carried a loaded gun.

If Andy filled out a U.S. census, he would be listed as a single father. Barney carried a weapon as well. Thankfully, he only had one bullet.

[Igosplut]

Okay, switch Ozzy & Harriet to The Cosby's and you can remove the minority argument and switch the decade to the 80's. And little Opies mom died, Andy wasn't "single". Aunt Bea filled the role of the mother influence on him.

FYI - Andy carried a loaded gun.

Nope, remember Andy was "The Sheriff without a gun"????

And Barney kept his one bullet in his shirt pocket..

Guess that should have been it the entertained by dead guys thread..

[ELVIS]

I don't see that happening, man. Our society has become too fragmented, our attention span too narrow. Today families do not even get the chance to develop, as all you need to do to see this is acknowledge the amount of unwed or single mothers trying to raise kids today. Divorce isn't even in the cards, when many times the "father" of these children is long gone before they are even born. And what of women that choose not to be married? Isn't it their right to do so? What of same sex unions? Does this somehow fail as a recognizable nuclear family, and if so, who is making that assessment in the first place?

So, what would you say is the cause of the disintegration if the family and society as a whole ??

What would you list as the effects ??

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[LoungeMachine]

So, what would you say is the cause of the disintegration if the family and society as a whole ??

What would you list as the effects ??

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Not enough guns?

[chefcraig]

So, what would you say is the cause of the disintegration if the family and society as a whole ??

What would you list as the effects ??

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The cause is not what is at issue, it is the effect. There are so many things to be factored into the decay of the nuclear family that to merely list them and attempt to make sense of them is about as helpful as giving a patient some chicken soup for a gunshot wound. Recognizing a problem is a step in the right direction, but at this point it is no more practical (or applicable) as wishing to make things so. Granted there is much to be said about groups of people pulling together in one concentrated entity to evoke change, be it Lynne McTaggart's endeavors in the area of human consciousness (The Intention Experiment) or the age old concepts of prayer. But until such energies are harnessed and used to a means that is beneficial to all on the planet, there is still an inherent risk of manipulation or exploitation of these very benign principles.

So in the meantime, society is stuck in a moral quagmire, waiting for the arrival of a change that is still so far away as to not even be a blip on the horizon. Maybe that's a fatalistic way of looking at things, but it is also grounded in reality. Sadly, faith is only going to get you so far.

[ELVIS]

The cause is very important as there is a much larger picture to look at...

[Nitro Express]

We will continue to blab about guns until they become obsolete. When that happens they can come take my guns, because I will have a condensed microwave beam weapon. Then we can blab about those.

[Nitro Express]

Sam Colt basically made all the idiots equal. Before that the skill level of killing was higher. Ammo is cheaper than training rifle men so now we have assault weapons, also they are good for ammo sales because they waste it. Idiots plus bullets is modern killing. But don't let that alarm you, killing a person is easy. We are amazingly fragile so it's still skills and knowledge. The average person has stuff in their home that could cause a lot of destruction and mayhem. Will and creativity still rule.

[Nitro Express]

Drain cleaner, steel wool, bleach, ammonia, propane, gasoline, rat poison, kitchen knives, lawnmowers, chainsaws, rakes, battery chargers. Oh all the stuff a sick mind can play with.

[Seshmeister]

So, what would you say is the cause of the disintegration if the family and society as a whole ??

What would you list as the effects ??

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Sorry I was aiming for the quote button and hit the jackasser!

I don't really buy the idyllic world of the 40s, 50s and 60s thing. I think it was all a bit miserable and repressed. People left their doors open because they didn't have much to steal.

I also wonder that maybe because the young in those days got to shoot Japanese, Germans, Italians, Koreans, Chinese and Vietmanese it got it out their system.

[Seshmeister]

Drain cleaner, steel wool, bleach, ammonia, propane, gasoline, rat poison, kitchen knives, lawnmowers, chainsaws, rakes, battery chargers. Oh all the stuff a sick mind can play with.

Over 100 000 Americans were shot last year. How many were run over by lawnmowers?

[chefcraig]

We will continue to blab about guns until they become obsolete. When that happens they can come take my guns, because I will have a condensed microwave beam weapon. Then we can blab about those.

I still agree with Dennis Miller (back when he was funny) that the phasers on Star Trek should have had some more cerebral settings. Other than stun or kill, you could blast somebody with "overwhelming melancholy". Rather than hurting people, you could merely depress the living shit out of them.

"Jim, what are we doing with our lives, here? I gotta get off of this ship."

[LoungeMachine]

How many were run over by lawnmowers?

Too few.....

Especially my neighbor who likes to mow his at 8am on Sundays,,,,,

Take away lawnmowers, and only criminals will mow their lawns....

[LoungeMachine]

Drain cleaner, steel wool, bleach, ammonia, propane, gasoline, rat poison, kitchen knives, lawnmowers, chainsaws, rakes, battery chargers. Oh all the stuff a sick mind can play with.

Hear of alot of convenience stores knocked over with Drain-o?

There's a great old line from Jake Johannsen about how guns dont kill people, bullets kill people....it's just guns make the bullets go real fast.

Give me all your money or I'm going to throw this bullet at you

[kwame k]

Part of me asks the question are we a society being ruled by fear?

How can other countries have guns but not have an equal proportion of gun related deaths/injuries per capita.

They have used so many excuses like violence on TV or in the movies. Glorifying the gang mentality through music. Even in the 80's Judas Priest and AC/DC were sued because people actually thought their music caused people to go out and kill.

Is it the fact that daily we are inundated with doom and gloom news 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week? Have we bought into that to the point where we are so paranoid and desensitized to death and violence that we judge human life so cheaply?

I grew up in a small town, till my late teens, and there was never a killing or even an injury due to guns. Yet, every single person had guns and I mean guns plural. Everyone hunted and carried guns in their vehicles. I know per capita we didn't have the number of people for an average of say 1 out of every 10,000 people are effected by gun violence. There wasn't 10,00 people in our town but take my town and add all the other small towns together and you could come up with a population close to a small to mid-size city. Yet that violence was never seen.

It wasn't till I moved to Metro-Detroit that I seen real violence and shootings. Hell, it wasn't a Saturday night if someone didn't get stabbed or shot. We had a few bar owners tell us not to stop playing if a shooting or a fight occurred because it would draw attention to it and it was better to let the bouncers handled it and to act as if nothing was going on. Why such a drastic difference between rural areas and metropolitan areas.

Even now, I'm only 15 miles away from Colorado Springs and here in Manitou people actually walk down the streets with guns, yet I haven't heard of one shooting or injury. In Colorado Springs they are reported daily. It can't be about sheer numbers because we get hundreds of thousands of people a year visiting.

We had one the worst school shootings ever in Columbine, so that throws my small town theory out the window but I still have the question why can one town have little to no violent crime and the next town over be a war zone.

I firmly believe that even if you could wave a magic wand and take all the guns away in America we'd just see a rise in stabbings and beatings. Is it poverty that breeds this violence? Having no hope of any type of future except crime and an early death because that's the culture you grew up in. Burying 5 of your friends before you're even 16 years old, so life to you is meaningless because you'll either end up in prison or dead before you reach 20.

Why the disparity?