Healthcare Reform Bill IS THE Law

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  • Jesus Christ
    Veteran
    • Jan 2004
    • 2434

    Originally posted by ELVIS
    What king told you that ??
    The King of Kings agrees with him.

    And Dad knows, I can't say that very often.

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    • Fuct Jup
      Head Fluffer
      • Nov 2006
      • 236

      If this health care bill is so great, then why are Obama's staff exempt?

      Come 2014, all 100 U.S. senators, all 435 representatives in the House and every one of their personal aides will have to go to the newly formed state exchanges for health insurance -- just like everyone else in the country who isn't covered by their employer.

      But select congressional leadership staffers -- some of whom wrote the health insurance act -- won't. And neither will White House staffers and Cabinet members -- nor the president himself. They will be allowed to keep their current plans, which are offered to all other federal employees.

      And now many congressional aides who like their current health insurance policies and will be forced to switch are asking: Why?

      They want to know: If an exchange is good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for the people who wrote the plan? Why isn't it good enough for the president and his Cabinet?

      Mass e-mails have been circulating among congressional aides on both sides of the aisle as they voice their objections to what they are calling a double standard in the health care law President Obama signed on Tuesday.

      "If it's such a good bill, why did the people who wrote the bill exempt themselves from it?" asked a Republican aide who requested anonymity. "With this administration it's always, 'Do as I say, not as I do,' just like paying your taxes!"

      "If we're forced on the exchange, then everyone should be," a Democratic staffer said.

      "If this health care bill is so great, then why are Obama's staff exempt?" a GOP aide scoffed. "If we have to give up our health care, then so should every federal employee."

      Members of Congress and their staffers currently select their health insurance plan from the pool of health care policy options that are available to all federal employees. But under the new law, unlike other federal employees, they will be required to purchase their insurance from the state-run exchanges when that part of the law goes into effect in 2014.

      But the provision appears to exclude leadership and committee staff, giving the appearance that those who wrote the bill wrote themselves out of this requirement.

      The White House is also exempt from moving from the current federal employee plan to state-run exchanges, although the White House said Wednesday that Obama will participate in the exchanges if he is still president in 2014.

      It remains unclear why the law was written this way. Efforts to understand the reasoning behind the carving out of leadership staff from this part of the new law were unsuccessful. Phone and e-mail requests for comment from the committees involved in the drafting of the Senate bill were either directed elsewhere or not returned.

      A Congressional Research Service report stated that the definition of the law as it stands now would likely be interpreted as applying only to congressional members' personal staff, and exempting both leadership and committee staff.

      The definition of "congressional staff," according to the CRS report, could be interpreted narrowly to refer only to staff members directly affiliated with a member's individual or personal office. As an example, that would mean that staffers who work with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's constituents out of her California office would be classified as "congressional staffers" and have to switch over to the exchanges -- but the staffers who work in association with her role as speaker of the House would be allowed to keep their current policies.

      It is still unclear if congressional offices will get subsidies to pay for their employees or if staffers with income below the pay threshold will get subsidies to buy insurance for themselves. Calls to about a dozen different offices yielded the same response: No one seems to know yet exactly how to interpret the law.

      A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid acknowledged that some committee staffers are exempt, but said leadership staff will have to buy into the exchanges like other Capitol Hill employees.

      But Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said he believes the current wording means that committee and leadership staff in Congress, as well as the president, vice president, the Cabinet and White House staff, will continue to access the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program, while all other congressional staffers will have to find their insurance policies on the exchange.

      A Democratic aide said he thought it would be difficult enough under the new law to figure out how to navigate his insurance, but he wouldn't mind as much if everyone else had to do the same.

      "It appears that some of my colleagues will not have to make these changes, which is annoying to say the least," he said.

      "The president continues to say if you like the health care coverage you have, you can keep it, and it's simply not true," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner. "This is just one example of the bad consequences of this law."

      "Large parts of this bill were thrown together hastily and behind closed doors, I'm afraid this is not going to be the only surprise going forward," he said.

      Grassley and Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., are heading the charge to introduce legislation that would require all federal employees to have the same health care requirements and options. Both made efforts to close this loophole last year, but the Senate rejected Grassley's amendment in December.

      "If this amendment isn't passed, then President Obama will not live under the Obama health care reforms, and neither will the congressional staff who were most responsible for helping to write the overhaul," Grassley said in a statement to FoxNews.com on Wednesday. "That sends a message to the people at the grassroots that the health reforms are good enough for you, but not for us."

      But a spokesman for Reid said Coburn's objection to the law was disingenuous, charging that Coburn himself had created the "two-tiered" status.

      "In his rush to make political statements instead of policy achievements, Senator Coburn clearly wasn't paying attention to what he was doing," Jim Manley said.

      "The amendment that created this committee and personal office distinction was authored by Senator Coburn. It's WORD for WORD what Coburn proposed in Committee.

      "If he wonders why committee staff aren't in the exchange, perhaps he should ask himself," Manley said. "Senator Coburn's newest complaints on health reform are too little, too late."

      But Coburn said Reid's spokesman has it all wrong.

      "This special deal for unelected staff underscores everything the public detests about the arrogance of power in Washington," he said. "I tried to fix this inequity along with Senators Grassley, Burr and Vitter, but Majority Leader Reid obstructed our effort."

      FOXNews.com - Congressional Staffers Complain About Double Standard in Health Care Law
      Anything left in that bottle?

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        Merging with current thread......

        We're NOT going to have 1,500 threads on this just because FAUX NOISE posts another story.

        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Merging with current thread......

          We're NOT going to have 1,500 threads on this just because FAUX NOISE posts another story.

          Censorship.....I declare shenanigans
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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          • Dr. Love
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2004
            • 7833

            Originally posted by Fuct Jup
            Its because the health industry's ability to make a profit that allows them to do research, develop new meds, technologies, and methods to produce better health care. That ability to make a profit is why we have the best health care in the world. Where is your right to health care if people decide to stop practicing medicine, stop building hospitals, stop building pharmacies? Why would someone go into business if you can't make a profit? Let's leave it up to the Gov.? How about being treated by your Dr. like you are treated by the lovely people at the DMV or the post office?
            I'm not in favor of not paying doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals what they deserve, based on their talents, abilities, and demand. I'm not even in favor of socializing hospitals.

            But I don't think a health insurance industry that is for-profit should exist. Honestly I'm kind of on the fence about a hospitals being run for profit. I think all of these things would be better run by non-profit organizations, regulated by the government and funded at least in major part by the taxpayers (as well as donations -- perhaps draw incentives there in the tax code), for the benefit of the taxpayers, with staff that is properly incentivized to recruit and retain talented individuals, to provide quality healthcare, graded by professional auditors and regulators, penalized when they do not comply with the rules and rewarded when they succeed.

            As for research and pharmaceuticals... there are good non-profits out there that do experimental therapies and medicines, and there are universities out there that perform good research. Our government provides research grants.

            It can work.

            I'm convinced we can come up with a system that benefits our citizens and is not tempted by profits to prey upon them to expand the contents of their own wallets.
            I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

            http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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            • Guitar Shark
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7579

              It's been kind of interesting watching Doc's politics evolve over time. Nice post man.
              ROTH ARMY MILITIA


              Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
              Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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              • Seshmeister
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Oct 2003
                • 35754

                Indeed.

                By Texas standards he's a crazy commie subversive.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49567

                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  We're glad you're not American also. We have enough stupid lesbians down here as it is.
                  Don't be so bitter, your wife has good reason to be both.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    Originally posted by Fuct Jup
                    The United States is the world leader in biomedical research.
                    And has a pretty embarrassingly horrid infant mortality rate...

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49567

                      Originally posted by Fuct Jup
                      A new CBS News poll finds that “nearly two in three Americans want Republicans in Congress to continue to challenge parts of the health care reform bill.” ...
                      What about the polls that say that Republican politicians are scum-fucking whore-bags that would sell their mothers' for $20?

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                      • Dr. Love
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7833

                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Indeed.

                        By Texas standards he's a crazy commie subversive.
                        not at all, I still believe that anyone that gets sick must be a jew-hating buttfucker ... Jesus doesn't let his followers ever get sick but God knows he hates fags and inflicts them with all sorts of afflictions.
                        I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                        http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32942

                          If the new healthcare law is so great how come comrade Obama is still out trying to sell people on it after he signed it into law? Also, while selling his new law to the people, comrade Obama said the new healthcare plan will cover children with preexisting conditions which it does not. The fucker didn't even read his own bill. He made his bosses in the health insurance industry happy as hell though. Look at their stock prices and now they are talking about jacking rates even more since the government now can force people to buy it. This new law is corporate racketeering basically.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Blackflag
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 3406

                            Originally posted by Dr. Love
                            I'm not in favor of not paying doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals what they deserve, based on their talents, abilities, and demand. I'm not even in favor of socializing hospitals.

                            But I don't think a health insurance industry that is for-profit should exist. Honestly I'm kind of on the fence about a hospitals being run for profit. I think all of these things would be better run by non-profit organizations, regulated by the government and funded at least in major part by the taxpayers (as well as donations -- perhaps draw incentives there in the tax code), for the benefit of the taxpayers, with staff that is properly incentivized to recruit and retain talented individuals, to provide quality healthcare, graded by professional auditors and regulators, penalized when they do not comply with the rules and rewarded when they succeed.
                            I'm not even opposed to any of that, even though Dr. Love is saying it.


                            Originally posted by Dr. Love
                            As for research and pharmaceuticals... there are good non-profits out there that do experimental therapies and medicines, and there are universities out there that perform good research. Our government provides research grants.
                            This is more problematic. I read that every successful drug took, on average, $1 billion to develop - and that doesn't include the lost costs from drugs that wound up being failures. Though I'm not a fan of the drug companies and what they charge, I'm not sure where any of that money comes from without a profit motive. They just simply wouldn't be developed.

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                            • knuckleboner
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2927

                              Originally posted by Nitro Express
                              Also, while selling his new law to the people, comrade Obama said the new healthcare plan will cover children with preexisting conditions which it does not. The fucker didn't even read his own bill.
                              where exactly are you getting your information?

                              cause here's the section of the bill that says that EVERYBODY with a preexisting condition (children included) has an option within 6 months.


                              SEC. 1004. EFFECTIVE DATES.
                              (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided for in subsection (b),
                              this subtitle (and the amendments made by this subtitle) shall
                              become effective for plan years beginning on or after the date
                              that is 6 months after the date of enactment of this Act




                              SEC. 1101. IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO INSURANCE FOR UNINSURED
                              INDIVIDUALS WITH A PREEXISTING CONDITION.
                              (a) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 90 days after the date of
                              enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall establish a temporary
                              high risk health insurance pool program to provide health insurance
                              coverage for eligible individuals during the period beginning on
                              the date on which such program is established and ending on
                              January 1, 2014.

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                              • kwame k
                                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 11302

                                Dude, don't use facts or actual quotes......it just confuses them.
                                Originally posted by vandeleur
                                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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