Healthcare Reform Bill IS THE Law

[Angel]

Somebody has to pay for this work. You and Sesh just want it not to be you.

But if insurance doesn't cover it, why shouldn't it be you paying for it? Again, there's nothing better to spend your last dime on. Who gives a shit about bankruptcy if you're dying? It's encouraging to know that a hospital will work on you even if you don't have the cash up front or insurance to cover it.

And, if either of you had a single naked clue, you'd know that bankruptcy in that case is actually a good thing, because it lets you get out from under it and move on with your life. (Thanks to the doctors that you just stiffed, btw.)

Dumb motherfuckers. Fuck off.

Fuck, hit the Thanks instead of Quote.

Dumb motherfucker, it's MY INSURANCE that pays for it! If you had a single naked clue you would know that what we have up here is what is called "universal healthcare", not "socialized medicine". We pay fucking premiums, just some provinces take the premiums through taxes, some have a monthly premium that you pay.

In other words, the hospital knows damn well that they are being paid by my insurance because I have provided them with my card and they have verified my coverage, which I pay for.

Get an education before you spout off about things you know nothing about, idiot.

[Angel]

We're glad you're not American also. We have enough stupid lesbians down here as it is.

Yeah, we know. Don't worry, Coulter's back with you now.

[knuckleboner]

You know what? I honestly hope you're correct...by God I do.

In either case, this will be rectified shortly.

I really don't think there is too many people in this country, or in Congress, that want to see people in this situation without health insurance.

It' just a matter of how we're going to pay for all of this without going completely broke like the UK is.

i know. i'm (mostly) on the side of the bill. i think, by and large, the final legislation is a good thing. but i'm not 100% convinced, and there are a few parts i'm a little iffy on. that said, if it, or parts of it, turn out to be worse than expected, then i'd hope we'd have somebody willing to go in and put forth legislation to fix (or repeal, if necessary).

[FORD]

Yeah, we know. Don't worry, Coulter's back with you now.

You guys couldn't lock "her" up some where?

[ZahZoo]

This is funny...

[Blackflag]

Fuck, hit the Thanks instead of Quote.

Dumb motherfucker, it's MY INSURANCE that pays for it! If you had a single naked clue you would know that what we have up here is what is called "universal healthcare", not "socialized medicine". We pay fucking premiums, just some provinces take the premiums through taxes, some have a monthly premium that you pay.

In other words, the hospital knows damn well that they are being paid by my insurance because I have provided them with my card and they have verified my coverage, which I pay for.

Get an education before you spout off about things you know nothing about, idiot.

We weren't talking about you or your insurance, jackass. We were talking about people going bankrupt after not being able to pay medical bills in the US.

Take a look at the thread title. Nobody cares about Canada, and it's not the topic.

not "socialized medicine" . . . provinces take the premiums through taxes

I suppose two people of the same age and same health pay the same premium (tax)? No, I didn't think so. That's why it's "socialized."





Thanks for the 'thanks,' by the way. I knew you agreed with me deep down in the logical part of your brain.

[bueno bob]

i know. i'm (mostly) on the side of the bill. i think, by and large, the final legislation is a good thing. but i'm not 100% convinced, and there are a few parts i'm a little iffy on. that said, if it, or parts of it, turn out to be worse than expected, then i'd hope we'd have somebody willing to go in and put forth legislation to fix (or repeal, if necessary).

Well, here's a time honored truth - if you sit down to write a story and your first page is half kick ass and half shit, you can always edit the shit part to make it more kick ass in an infinite amount of ways. What can you do with a blank page? Boo shit. Point is, something's better than nothing and while the bill as is isn't perfect, there is some room for development on the lesser areas - on a personal level, I'm mostly pleased that there's been some development on the issue, even if it's a mixed bag. A start is a start; left in the hands of conservatives, we wouldn't have even gotten that far.

[Dr. Love]

Fine me for NOT having insurance?
Are they fucking crazy?

Holy shit, you're right! Next they'll be fining us for not carrying insurance on automobiles that WE own when we drive them on roads that WE already paid for with our tax dollars!

Outrageous! The very idea that they would force you to carry insurance to participate in a system that benefits everyone! What audacity those motherfuckers must have!

This november they'll feel the wrath of the voters for making us carry driver's insurance! We'll see what happens then!!!

[ELVIS]

That argument is ignorant...

[Dr. Love]

That argument is ignorant...

To call it an argument would imply that even for a moment I was being serious...

Not that I expected you to realize that.

[Cathedral]

Holy shit, you're right! Next they'll be fining us for not carrying insurance on automobiles that WE own when we drive them on roads that WE already paid for with our tax dollars!

Outrageous! The very idea that they would force you to carry insurance to participate in a system that benefits everyone! What audacity those motherfuckers must have!

This november they'll feel the wrath of the voters for making us carry driver's insurance! We'll see what happens then!!!

You can choose not to drive or own a car, you can't choose not to be born.
This argument is rediculous, in fact, it isn't an argument at all.

[Dr. Love]

If you need to go to, say, the emergency room, do you expect them to treat you or to turn you away if you can't pay?

Most reasonable people expect to be treated and then figure out how they are going to pay for it. Which makes the rest of us wind up picking up the tab. Because of this, I feel that the system should behave in 1 of 4 ways:

1.) If you have insurance, you get treated in medical emergencies
2.) If you don't have insurance, but can pay up front, you get treated in medical emergencies
3.) You are compelled to have insurance so that you always are able to pay in medical emergencies
4.) If you don't have insurance and can't pay up front, you're denied treatment and can go fuck yourself, I'm not paying for your lack of foresight.

Of course, if you want to say that not everyone can afford insurance, this isn't fair, etc, etc ... well I believe early on in the healthcare debate we collectively decided that we only cared about people who could pay and didn't want to just give insurance away, so fuck those guys.

How it relates to car insurance?

The underlying principle is that if you expect a certain level of service from a system, you have to pay into that system.

That's why I'm completely fine with people not paying insurance and being refused treatment. But that isn't how it works and I doubt that's how anyone would want to be, meaning you either have to be able afford it (very few people can) or you have to have insurance, which is where we are at.

[Blackflag]

How it relates to car insurance?

The underlying principle is that if you expect a certain level of service from a system, you have to pay into that system.

But the required car insurance isn't about expecting service from the system. It's about compensating other people if you fuck their shit up.

It would almost be an argument if collision coverage were mandatory, but it's not. So what the fuck.

[Dr. Love]

I guess to be more explicit:

If you expect to participate in a system where if you get in an accident and it isn't your fault then the person responsible will be able to compensate you reliably, then you have to participate in that system (by purchasing automobile insurance).

If you expect to participate in a system where if you get into a medical emergency, someone will take care of you, then you have to participate in that system (by purchasing health insurance).

Personally I'm fine with people not being compelled to by insurance as long as the understanding is that they will not receive treatment. If you want to be a dummy and not carry insurance, fine with me. I don't like compulsary purchasing at all (nor do I like compulsory paying of taxes or fines or any time the government demands my money) but I do recognize when it makes sense to do so over my own aversion.

If coverage is affordable then I would buy it, with or without the requirement. Same as I would with auto insurance.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

I think if handled properly, Socialized Medicine could be very good for this country.

Me too! With almost a TRILLION dollars being spent to overhaul our healthcare, I better see changes for the BETTER to my services, my family’s, my friends, EVERYONE. Well not the extremely rich! They don’t need help!!