Popular Teacher Fatally Shot After Entering Wrong House

[Nickdfresh]

I wouldn't just "blast away" but i'm willing to bet no teachers will be wondering into this mans house anymore...

Yeah, that's a huge social problem. Maybe next time he can shoot a kid who accidentally wandered into his yard? That will show him!

[Nickdfresh]

My skeptical mind wonders if the 31 year old "award winning teacher" (as if that makes a difference) was there to have sex with the man's daughter and was cut off at the pass, so to speak...

Are you fucking retarded?

I'm pretty sure you believe that all women who've been raped "had it coming" and/or "wanted it"...

What would Jesus have done? Of course, he'd of fucking shot someone down with no warning nor the slightest inhibition apparently...

Christian bullshitter fuck...

[Seshmeister]

This has just sprung into my mind - how the fuck did the teacher get it?

If all windows and doors were locked, how do you just wander into someone's house? Secondly, if you really, really fear intruders, then you're going to keep doors locked on your property at all times, right? That way, you wouldn't need to shoot intruders because there wouldn't be any intruders.

It's a very fearful society. Do you remember the Scottish oil worker in Texas a few years ago? Correction I just googled it and it was 16 fucking years ago jeez.

Tragic case of mistaken identity/Fearful homeowner kills Scottish man 01/08/1994 | Archives | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Anyhoo this is basically a difference in culture, logic has nothing to do with it.

[Seshmeister]

My skeptical mind wonders if the 31 year old "award winning teacher" (as if that makes a difference) was there to have sex with the man's daughter and was cut off at the pass, so to speak...

It's amazing how people perceive themselves.

You saying you have a 'skeptical mind' is like me suddenly turning around and saying I was a fundamentalist religionist.

[Nickdfresh]

First of all, I don't enter anyone's home without them answering the door and letting me in, especially if the lights are off.

Who knows if his lights were off? He may well have had several lights on, outside and in.

Secondly, you have to consider that maybe these people have been victimized in their own home in the past. It's great that this guy was a teacher, but I wonder how smart he was to just enter the home.

Um dude, they live in fucking Amherst. An upscale community routinely cited as having one of the lowest crime rates in the U.S.

It is plausible to assume that if there are only two occupants in a home, and both are in bed, that someone entering at night would be considered a threat. Ya see, it isn't so much looking at the situation and saying, "he was just in the wrong house and there was no threat", put yourself in the shoes of the shooter...To him, the intruder was a threat.

He can be perceived as a "threat", that doesn't mean one has to kill him...

Personally, I would have yelled, "Who the fuck is there?", and if I got no answer, I'd be ready to shoot, shame on you for staying quiet.
Also, If I'm going to shoot at you, you had better believe I will be shooting to kill, and i'll tell ya why.

What if it was a scared little kid?

I've been friends with law enforcement officers for many years and they have all agreed that IF you EVER shoot someone in YOUR home you had better shoot to kill. the reason being is that if there is only one story to tell then your chances of NOT being charged with a crime are much better.
If a criminal enters your house and robs you, or assaults you, or your wife, and you shoot him and only wound him, he can file charges against YOU...and WIN in criminal AND civil court, judgements against you.

Their family can still sue you no matter what. But if someone assaults you, they're probably not going to win anything and you can counter...

It happens every fucking day in America and the truth is, dead people can't speak.

The teacher in this instance, well, he made a fatal mistake because there is no way to determine whether the homeowner felt threatened or not, or to what extent.
He (the teacher) should have assessed the situation better before entering and knocked on the door, TO BE SAFE!!!

Um, he made a mistake--in an upscale suburban yuppie land neighborhood. He might have been drunk, but it's hard to foresee a guy who has everything to lose being a serious threat...

I voted the first option based on my perception of the situation should it happen to me.
If I feel my family is in danger I will act differently than if it were just myself because the responsibility to protect them increases the adrenaline rush. I may not react as i normally would as a result, but by no intentional fault of my own.

What danger was anyone in? Someone wandering through the front door doesn't equal "danger" to me. But then, maybe I just might not lose my head in that situation. I would certainly hope not...

Questions I'd like answered before drawing a conclusion here are:
Did the shooter feel any remorse after knowing it was just a mistake?
Have these homeowners ever been victimized in their home in the past?

I would think the shooter does feel some remorse, but is probably trying to rationalize it all to himself. And I find it hard to believe that many Amherst residents are ever "victimized" in their homes. I think the only real disturbances of the peace in Amherst are usually frat parties at University of Buffalo...

Typically, when something like this happens it is usually family shooting family because someone isn't where they were expected to be in the home and percieved as an intruder.

It's sad, my condolences to the teachers family, but he should have been more careful and knocked on the door before entering, especially at night.

Yeah, well, it ain't "Leave it to Beaver," is it? I remember funny instances where people walk into the wrong house/apartment, etc. Now it's a big fucking fear-a'thon of suburban paranoia...

[Blaze]

One should feel secure to sleep, day or night. Most people sleep in their homes.

The death of the teacher is an unfortunate tragedy.


Didn't DLR have an intruder once? And hold the male for police?
I Googled for a reference and the links Sarge has are broken.

I know from experience, if my home if intruded in any way, at any time I am as aggressive as the weapons at hand, until the time I do not feel threatened.

I have often striked first and ask later when startled.



I think it is the right of a home owner to feel safe and secure in their home.

I do not think it is the right of persons to feel secure "wandering", intruding, or otherwise breaching homes.

[Nickdfresh]

Wrong. It vary's state to state. Some give you the right to defend "Property" as well as life and limb (in your home). Others (like MA) give you no legal rights to defend anything including your life in your own home no matter how threatening the situation.
...

I'd love to see a case where they charged someone that was obviously was defending their own, or their family's, life...

[Nickdfresh]

I don't see the difference. EMS pop into my house all the time unannounced. I wake up in the middle of the night? Fuckers in my kitchen eating my food.

The key difference here is that Clint is inviting his transgressor to "get the fuck off his lawn" with a verbal shot across-the-bow and not peppering them with .30-odd-06...

[Blaze]

[Seshmeister]

One should feel secure to sleep, day or night. Most people sleep in their homes.

The death of the teacher is an unfortunate tragedy.


Didn't DLR have an intruder once? And hold the male for police?
I Googled for a reference and the links Sarge has are broken.

I know from experience, if my home if intruded in any way, at any time I am as aggressive as the weapons at hand, until the time I do not feel threatened.

I have often striked first and ask later when startled.



I think it is the right of a home owner to feel safe and secure in their home.

I do not think it is the right of persons to feel secure "wandering", intruding, or otherwise breaching homes.

I'm sorry you are so fearful but it is not a logical fear.

Roth found a guy in his backyard at night, pointed a shotgun at him and called the cops.

It turned out that it was a neighbor who was stoned and had got lost.

By the thinking in this thread a lot of you would have been frightened and perhaps shot and killed the intruder.

Roth at least didn't shoot him.

A similar thing has happened to me a couple of times where at the weekend 'intruders' have wandered onto my property. We don't have the same gun laws as in the US and I have used the method of saying 'Hey fuck off pal'. It works. If it didn't I would then move onto stage 2 of going inside and calling the cops because I pay for them to deal with that kind of thing safely.

If you want to get an idea on the silliness of the gun people approach I would suggest you compare the tiny tiny number of justifiable shootings defending property with the accidents caused by firearms.

The figures vary up to you being 20 times more at risk by having a gun in your house as not.

[Sensible Shoes]

It's a very fearful society. Do you remember the Scottish oil worker in Texas a few years ago? Correction I just googled it and it was 16 fucking years ago jeez.

Tragic case of mistaken identity/Fearful homeowner kills Scottish man 01/08/1994 | Archives | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Anyhoo this is basically a difference in culture, logic has nothing to do with it.

Scottish Oil Worker? There's a joke there somewhere.

[Seshmeister]

I don't understand.

[Blaze]

Well, I have never shot anyone for intruding my home.

I have confronted persons intruding and call the police like one should.

But when startled, I react, then ask.

I was taught by my sheriff step father when given my first hand gun. Stay put, stay still, if they get close shoot until the gun is empty. Reload. Keep the gun on them. Call police.

That may not be the correct way.

It is not as easy to get the dead ringer shot as people thing. It is not like the movie, one shot and a person falls dead.

It is an unfortunate accident that this teacher died. Most people cannot get a shot that kills on one shot.

I have found I leap out of bed and attack with a hand weapon. The goal is to not have the home breached, once breached that is a different story.

I am a female, I was taught different. I was taught to be more deadly.

[Nitro Express]

You are justified in shooting a person if they pose a threat to your life or pose a threat of serious bodily harm. Shooting an intruder inside your home make the legal repercussions less complicated than shooting someone outside your home.

This is why it's a good idea to take some self defense and fire arms training. They drill you on all sorts of sceneros and drill the shoot and don't shoot justifications into your head. Basically, a well trained gun owner is only going to pull that trigger if it's a real threat after going through a second nature flow chart of shoot or don't shoot.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

You are justified in shooting a person if they pose a threat to your life or pose a threat of serious bodily harm. Shooting an intruder inside your home make the legal repercussions less complicated than shooting someone outside your home.

This is why it's a good idea to take some self defense and fire arms training. They drill you on all sorts of sceneros and drill the shoot and don't shoot justifications into your head. Basically, a well trained gun owner is only going to pull that trigger if it's a real threat after going through a second nature flow chart of shoot or don't shoot.

and if ya do, tap three to center mass, then continue flow chart.