Popular Teacher Fatally Shot After Entering Wrong House

[Igosplut]

i wasn't specifically talking about this exact occurance. i was referring to elvis' assumption that if somebody came into his house his instinct would be to automatically protect.

Depends on your neighborhood I would say. But I get your point.

i'm sure i can come up with a hypothetical where an EMT/policeofficer legimiately goes into a house, albeit the wrong house. no doubt they would announce themselves the second somebody came around, but if that person came blasting first, they might not have a chance.

EMS protocol is very clear about entering a home (I worked for a Paramedic, and they all hung out at the shop so I have sort of an inside track on it) Police respond first in most cases, and anything with the least bit of trouble the police clear the scene for EMS.

i was just trying to say that just because you hear a noise in your house doesn't mean the first action should be to round the corner with the shotgun trigger depressing.

Any gun owner that walks around with a weapon and his/her finger on the trigger is more likely to shoot their dumbass selves in the foot, than any intruder. One of the first things you are taught is to only have place your finger on the trigger when you are ready to fire.....

[Igosplut]

You are justified in shooting a person if they pose a threat to your life or pose a threat of serious bodily harm. Shooting an intruder inside your home make the legal repercussions less complicated than shooting someone outside your home.

Not in MA. You have no legal right to use deadly force for ANYTHING in any circumstances. Many states allow just that (I.E. right to defend laws).

This is why it's a good idea to take some self defense and fire arms training. They drill you on all sorts of sceneros and drill the shoot and don't shoot justifications into your head. Basically, a well trained gun owner is only going to pull that trigger if it's a real threat after going through a second nature flow chart of shoot or don't shoot.

Absolutely fucking right. It's your responsibility as a gun owner.

[Seshmeister]

Not in MA. You have no legal right to use deadly force for ANYTHING in any circumstances. Many states allow just that (I.E. right to defend laws).

Are you sure?

Self defence is ingrained in common law.

[Nickdfresh]

THIS is a good example of what I'm talking about in MA. They spent FIVE months investigating this security guard looking for an angle to charge him in the shooting death of a psychiatric patient as the patient stabbed a doctor multiple times. The burden is always on the shooter regardless of the actions of the person shot. I'll look around for more cases..

Here's some links to the incident.. The first one states that it was justified, but they investigated him for five more months.

Preliminary investigation finds patient's shooting was justifiable

MGH slaying to be investigated as police-involved shooting

I haven't read the article yet, but there seems to be a whole 'nother dynamic when we're talking security guards on duty at hospitals...

[Nickdfresh]

If you are going to use a gun in defense you need to remove emotion. You need to identify the threat and Quickly assess the situation to see if pulling the trigger is justified. It should be an unemotional, disciplined process. If you are quick to anger or afraid of pulling the trigger two things happen. You shoot someone out of anger instead of them being a real threat or you freeze and they read that and take the gun from you.
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You can't just "remove" emotion, but one definitely needs to control it. Also, if you have some bullshit Rambo-fantasy were you're just waiting for the time you can become a vigilante for a day, something violent is far more likely to happen. Yeah, attitude, self-training and visualization have a lot to do with it...

[Igosplut]

Are you sure?

Self defence is ingrained in common law.

Very sure. That's one of the laws that is being addressed. MA. considers all (legal) gun owners criminals in waiting...

[Igosplut]

I haven't read the article yet, but there seems to be a whole 'nother dynamic when we're talking security guards on duty at hospitals...

He was an off-duty guard from somewhere else, not the hospital. It was just meant to show how they handle things here. I'll find other examples..

[Nitro Express]

Not in MA. You have no legal right to use deadly force for ANYTHING in any circumstances. Many states allow just that (I.E. right to defend laws).



Absolutely fucking right. It's your responsibility as a gun owner.

I view it this way. If you kill a person who would kill you, at least you are alive to argue with the stupid state. I don't care what state you live in, if you shoot someone outside of your home, you better have a good lawyer. But we are talking life and death. If you don't want to play games with the government and legal system, just let the asshole kill you.

[Igosplut]

I view it this way. If you kill a person who would kill you, at least you are alive to argue with the stupid state. I don't care what state you live in, if you shoot someone outside of your home, you better have a good lawyer. But we are talking life and death. If you don't want to play games with the government and legal system, just let the asshole kill you.

Ya, you think?

They don't care, like I said if you are a legal gun owner in MA you are viewed (by the state) as one step up from a criminal. Read that story I linked for Nick, THAT off duty security guard shot a guy who was stabbing a woman to death and it took more than five months for the state DA to decide not to prosecute him. Really fucked up thing..

[ELVIS]

Hmmm...

[hideyoursheep]

I am going out on a limb here, and I will say that yes, it has more to do with the state in which you live, and whether or not the judge and prosecutor are Republicans who are supported by members of the NRA-because there is no continuity between what is acceptable in different areas of the US.

If this guy were a convicted felon trying to break into a house, while the resident were on the line with police awaiting assistance, would the dispatcher give the green light to shoot because that person had the "right to defend your property" as was the case in Texas (I think) a few months ago?

Anybody who fires a weapon at another individual is using deadly force. You don't suddenly become a "surgeon" and determine that your target will live or die if you fire at a certain spot. That shit is ridiculous.

[conmee]

Invariably in this country, the victim must jump through all manner of hurdles and legal processes and investigation and public madness. It's better just to kill intruders dead and deal with the aftermath, than a) try to spark up a conversation about what they are up to and their intentions in your domicile, b) give them time to shoot/stab/kill you, c) wound them and get sued for protecting your shit and family.

Having said that, this is a tragedy. And yes, I also post naked pics of myself on the internet....

That is all.

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[LoungeMachine]

Were you also taught to post naked pics of yourself on websites?

I've been told I've mistaken THIS Julia for the other wack job who posted nude pics of herself here.

Easy mistake.

When you post under 4 different aliases, Julie, Oolith, standin, and fianlly blaze, and call yourself a TWATambassador, it's easy to confuse you with the OTHER wackjob named Julia.

Not to say I know for a fact you havent posted nude pics of yourself.

Just a note to mention I don't know.



Icoke on the other hand has had his junk plastered on every porn site in the entire interwebs.

[conmee]

LM,

You better find one of my recent posts, and get it back into your goddam signature, or I'll resort to extreme measures...

That is all.

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[GAR]

I don't understand.

She's a Celtaphobe!