Whose country is this?

[Seshmeister]

Neither does he.

[Mushroom]

That's circular reasoning. Why would someone be suspicous of being an illegal? Because he failed to produce authentic ID. No shit.

But why would someone be requested to show ID in the first place?

I don't understand your circular question. Have you ever been asked to produce identification? Somebody would be requested to show ID to an officer in the event of one of the following:
- Pulled over for speeding
- Information gathering for traffic accident investigation
- A skirmish between drunk bar patrons
- Border Patrol check-point

We can hypothesize more incidences. But the point is that this law gives the State of AZ the authority to detain somebody because they are here illegally; the law does not give the State of AZ the authority to ask for ID just because the officer has a grudge against mexicans.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

That's circular reasoning. Why would someone be suspicous of being an illegal? Because he failed to produce authentic ID. No shit.

But why would someone be requested to show ID in the first place?

oh for for fucks sake, cop says "sir/maam, i've pulled you over for swerving in traffic and crossing the centerline. i need license, registration, and proof of insurance." driver says "no se" or however you say " i don't know" in any other language. RED FLAG.



If you had to ask, then you don't see the intrinisc racism and xenophobia of this law.

i see the "sharpton" effect you are spinning, yes.

[MAX]

Fuck this is already old...

People bitching and whining cos Arizona is now going to enforce LAWS against ILLEGAL activity? Jeesh...

Seriously, there's no fucking argument here whatsoever. The police ask for someone's greencard and they don't have one... Get the fuck out!!! NEXT!!!

[MAX]

I don't understand your circular question. Have you ever been asked to produce identification? Somebody would be requested to show ID to an officer in the event of one of the following:
- Pulled over for speeding
- Information gathering for traffic accident investigation
- A skirmish between drunk bar patrons
- Border Patrol check-point

We can hypothesize more incidences. But the point is that this law gives the State of AZ the authority to detain somebody because they are here illegally; the law does not give the State of AZ the authority to ask for ID just because the officer has a grudge against mexicans.

Who gives a flying fuck as to why they're pulled over and/or the aftermath? If they're illegally in this country, they've already broken the law and isn't that what the police are paid to do? Enforce the fucking law?

It's kind of like the cops pulling over a car with a WHITEY driving and the car's full of suspicious loot. The cop asks for ID, is that profiling? Holy shit!!! The motherfucker just robbed a house and broke the law!!!

Ehhhhh... Let him go cos he was profiled by those rotten police doing their job!!! What about whitey's rights?

[MAX]

Seriously, it's a cop's right to pull over ANYONE if they fucking feel like it!!! So what if it's profiling and they get someone breaking the law? Kinda like fishing. :D

[LoungeMachine]

Who gives a flying fuck as to why they're pulled over and/or the aftermath? :

The US Constitution?

My issue isn't why an undocumented person here illegally is pulled over, it's why ANYONE is without probable cause.

It's easy to say "good thing, too" with 20/20 hindsight.

But isn't it ironic that we're talking about protecting the USA, the same country that grants us citizen rights AGAINST unwarranted searches?



I'm all for granting citizenship to those who deserve it, it deporting those who deserve deportation.

But don't trample on the Constitution to do it.

[LoungeMachine]

Seriously, it's a cop's right to pull over ANYONE if they fucking feel like it!!!

wtf?

Are you kidding me?

No, it is not.



Not sure what country/time you're living in

[PETE'S BROTHER]

i certainly do not know you personally. i respect what i do know of you here on the board. i wasn't comparing you to the man at all. i was simply referring to focusing on one aspect of this, in a hypothetical situation, and screaming racism.

f you had to ask, then you don't see the intrinisc racism and xenophobia of this law.

maybe i don't see it, cause it isn't there. you are implying these things could happen, but it is not written in the bill.

[Seshmeister]

wtf?

Are you kidding me?

No, it is not.



Not sure what country/time you're living in

If it was up to him I would guess Germany around about 1940.

[MAX]

Now you like the constitution? Fuck, I was under the impression it was outdated but now it needs to be upheld?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

sorry, my quoting skills are impaired today.

[MAX]

If it was up to him I would guess Germany around about 1940.

Fucking A, I'm so fucking sick of people comparing my beliefs to that of the fucking Nazis!!!

Asking for some illegal's greencard is not the same as exterminating 40 million Jewish people on a whim!!!

[LoungeMachine]

Now you like the constitution? Fuck, I was under the impression it was outdated but now it needs to be upheld?

What gave you that impression?

[MAX]

Oh and speaking of Nazi behavior, who were the cocksucker's smearing AZ's state capitol with swastika's made from refried beans? Oh wait, it was the peaceful peeps protesting it?

I thought that cunt Nancy Pulosi wasn't going to tolerate that shit?