Whose country is this?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Oh look, MAX is trying to swim in the deep end of the intelligence pool again.

oooh, does it have a diving board?

[Guitar Shark]

You're not talking to an idiot here.

Not on this issue, perhaps, but c'mon.

[LoungeMachine]

Which part, the self-incrimination part?




You can't pick and choose which rights you think we should have. Either support the Constitution, or don't.

LMMFAO

As I was typing it, I was thinking make sure to say the SECOND

As for your second part, i never said I was picking and choosing, I said they were racist and outdated.


Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 for instance.

[Seshmeister]

For the people that don't believe in a police state I don't have a US law degree but the crux of this comes down to the meaning of single phrase.

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

The key then is what does 'lawful contact' mean?

If it meant they can check your immigrant status after you have already been stopped for another crime I would guess that a lot of people wouldn't have such a big problem with this.

Lawful contact though doesn't actually seem to have any defined legal meaning in the US so is incredibly broad and basically just means that the cop hasn't done anything illegal up to that point.

Seems to me this is a bad law because it's vague and will be appealed against.

[LoungeMachine]

Not on this issue, perhaps, but c'mon.

Point granted.

Plenty of issues that I qualify as an IDIOT for :D



fucking lawyers

[Seshmeister]

My step father was a beat cop for 20 years.

My brother IS a highway patrol officer, has been for 12 years.



You're not talking to an idiot here.

No you're talking to the brother of an idiot.


Sorry it was just too easy...

[Seshmeister]

Jeez you can't even tell when that smiley is winking, that's going to cause a few fights around here...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Seems to me this is a bad law because it's vague and will be appealed against.

i think anybody would be hardpressed to find one that isn't.

[LoungeMachine]

For the people that don't believe in a police state I don't have a US law degree but the crux of this comes down to the meaning of single phrase.



The key then is what does 'lawful contact' mean?

If it meant they can check your immigrant status after you have already been stopped for another crime I would guess that a lot of people wouldn't have such a big problem with this.

Lawful contact though doesn't actually seem to have any defined legal meaning in the US so is incredibly broad and basically just means that the cop hasn't done anything illegal up to that point.

Seems to me this is a bad law because it's vague and will be appealed against.

Yep.

When laws contain the terms "resonable" and practicable" it just leaves the door wide open for interpretation and ABUSE



It'll be interesting to read what Sotomayor thinks of this when in eventually makes it to the USSC

[PETE'S BROTHER]

What now? I agreed if someone was caught in the act of committing a crime and asked to show ID, that's fine.

ok, musta missed it.

[LoungeMachine]

Jeez you can't even tell when that smiley is winking, that's going to cause a few fights around here...

It's okay, I got the joke. :D

Cop jokes run in the family, trust me.

[MAX]

Oh look, MAX is trying to swim in the deep end of the intelligence pool again.

Oh, your happy place? If it actually did exist here, you'd have drowned long ago.

[Seshmeister]

Fucking A, I'm so fucking sick of people comparing my beliefs to that of the fucking Nazis!!!

You see most people would sit down and think 'I wonder why everyone keeps thinking that about me. How can I stop that happening?'

[LoungeMachine]

Oh look, MAX is trying to swim in the deep end of the intelligence pool again.

Yeah, you're gonna get a PM over this one.......



just sayin'

[MAX]

LOL!

It's not their "right" to do that, but it doesn't get in the way or prevent them from doing it anyways.

....I actually feel sorry for the people who are naive enough to believe that the 4th Ammendment still exists.

Well said and what I meant to type. Unfortunately, I was fuming at the moment and needed to take five.