This wikileaks guy should be "taken out" of the picture.

[Seshmeister]

Yeah. The British would have been better off if their top secret info was leaked during World War II because everyone including Hitler had the right to know.

That is a senseless comparison. We are not at war and it was 65 years ago that British intelligence won the Western Front.

Why is the focus on Wikkileaks and not the astonishing incompetence of the US government in losing all of this information?

Of course this is the same people that have supposedly kept UFO's, the Kennedy assassination and the fake moon landings secret for decades...

[Unchainme]

Of course this is the same people that have supposedly kept UFO's, the Kennedy assassination and the fake moon landings secret for decades...

Yeah, why aren't we getting the good stuff? All of this is shit we've already heard about via other mediums

I want to figure out if Montauk Project was real or if we've been in contact with ET before.

leak that, please leak that

[LoungeMachine]

My question to Brie is this....

If you're so right in your conviction, and such a patriot....

What is keeping you from acting on this yourself? The guts?

Why are you waiting for someone braver, smarter, and more patriotic than you to do your dirty work?

[jhale667]

My question to Brie is this....

If you're so right in your conviction, and such a patriot....

What is keeping you from acting on this yourself? The guts?

Why are you waiting for someone braver, smarter, and more patriotic than you to do your dirty work?

You already know the answer: Because Brie's a pussy.

[Hardrock69]

My 2 cents:

Some of the stuff should not be released if it endangers sources or methods.

But obviously there is too much stuff the US Gummint wishes were kept under wraps that We The People SHOULD be made aware of.

And yes, fuck all this crap about diplomatic cables.

If WikiLeaks is going to release anything, leak classified info about UFOs and other stuff we should know about.

I recall something said (I think by Clinton) about how there is stuff still classified that dates back to the Civil War. Why the fuck? I can see stuff staying classified from say, the last 50 years or so.

But they need to declassify a LOT of historical stuff, certainly pre-dating WWI, as all the individuals concerned are DEAD.

[Hardrock69]

Here is a list from the Wikileaks website of stuff they have leaked. One nice out of the ordinary thing they have leaked is Church Of Scientology documents. :D

2.2 Some of the stories we have broken

War, killings, torture and detention
Government, trade and corporate transparency
Suppression of free speech and a free press
Diplomacy, spying and (counter-)intelligence
Ecology, climate, nature and sciences
Corruption, finance, taxes, trading
Censorship technology and internet filtering
Cults and other religious organizations
Abuse, violence, violation


War, killings, torture and detention


Changes in Guantanamo Bay SOP manual (2003-2004) - Guantanamo Bay's main operations manuals
Of Orwell, Wikipedia and Guantanamo Bay - In where we track down and expose Guantanamo Bay's propaganda team
Fallujah jail challenges US - Classified U.S. report into appalling prison conditions in Fallujah
U.S lost Fallujah's info war - Classified U.S. intelligence report on the battle of Fallujah, Iraq
US Military Equipment in Iraq (2007) - Entire unit by unit equipment list of the U.S army in Iraq
Dili investigator called to Canberra as evidence of execution mounts - the Feb 2008 killing of East Timor rebel leader Reinado
Como entrenar a escuadrones de la muerte y aplastar revoluciones de El Salvador a Iraq - The U.S. Special Forces manual on how to prop up unpopular government with paramilitaries


Government, trade and corporate transparency

Change you can download: a billion in secret Congressional reports - Publication of more than 6500 Congressional Research Reports, worth more than a billion dollars of US tax-funded research, long sought after by NGOs, academics and researchers
ACTA trade agreement negotiation lacks transparency - The secret ACTA trade agreement draft, followed by dozens of other publications, presenting the initial leak for the whole ACTA debate happening today
Toll Collect Vertraege, 2002 - Publication of around 10.000 pages of a secret contract between the German federal government and the Toll Collect consortium, a private operator group for heavy vehicle tolling system
Leaked documents suggest European CAP reform just a whitewash - European farm reform exposed
Stasi still in charge of Stasi files - Suppressed 2007 investigation into infiltration of former Stasi into the Stasi files commission
IGES Schlussbericht Private Krankenversicherung, 25 Jan 2010 - Hidden report on the economics of the German private health insurance system and its rentability


Suppression of free speech and a free press

The Independent: Toxic Shame: Thousands injured in African city, 17 Sep 2009 - Publication of an article originally published in UK newspaper The Independent, but censored from the Independent's website. WikiLeaks has saved dozens of articles, radio and tv recordings from disappearing after having been censored from BBC, Guardian, and other major news organisations archives.
Secret gag on UK Times preventing publication of Minton report into toxic waste dumping, 16 Sep 2009 - Publication of variations of a so-called super-injunction, one of many gag-orders published by WikiLeaks to expose successful attempts to suppress the free press via repressive legal attacks
Media suppression order over Turks and Caicos Islands Commission of Inquiry corruption report, 20 Jul 2009 - Exposure of a press gagging order from the Turks and Caicos Islands, related to WikiLeaks exposure of the Commission of Inquiry corruption report
Bermuda's Premier Brown and the BCC bankdraft - Brown went to the Privy council London to censor the press in Bermuda
How German intelligence infiltrated Focus magazine - Illegal spying on German journalists


Diplomacy, spying and (counter-)intelligence

U.S. Intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks, 18 Mar 2008 - Classified (SECRET/NOFORN) 32 page U.S. counterintelligence investigation into WikiLeaks. Has been in the worldwide news.
CIA report into shoring up Afghan war support in Western Europe, 11 Mar 2010 - This classified CIA analysis from March, outlines possible PR-strategies to shore up public support in Germany and France for a continued war in Afghanistan. Received international news coverage in print, radio and TV.
U.S. Embassy profiles on Icelandic PM, Foreign Minister, Ambassador - Publication of personal profiles for briefing documents for U.S. officials visiting Iceland. While lowly classified are interesting for subtle tone and internal facts.
Cross-border clashes from Iraq O.K. - Classified documents reveal destabalizing U.S. military rules
Tehran Warns US Forces against Chasing Suspects into Iran - Iran warns the United States over classified document on WikiLeaks
Inside Somalia and the Union of Islamic Courts - Vital strategy documents in the Somali war and a play for Chinese support


Ecology, climate, nature and sciences

Draft Copenhagen climate change agreement, 8 Dec 2009 - Confidential draft "circle of commitment" (rich-country) Copenhagen climate change agreement
Draft Copenhagen Accord Dec 18, 2009 - Three page draft Copehagen "accord", from around Friday 7pm, Dec 18, 2009; includes pen-markings
Climatic Research Unit emails, data, models, 1996-2009 - Over 60MB of emails, documents, code and models from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, written between 1996 and 2009 that lead to a worldwide debate
The Monju nuclear reactor leak - Three suppressed videos from Japan's fast breeder reactor Monju revealing the true extent of the 1995 sodium coolant disaster

Corruption, finance, taxes, trading

The looting of Kenya under President Moi - $3,000,000,000 presidential corruption exposed; swung the Dec 2007 Kenyan election, long document, be patient
Gusmao's $15m rice deal alarms UN - Rice deal corruption in East Timor
How election violence was financed - the embargoed Kenyan Human Rights Commission report into the Jan 2008 killings of over 1,300 Kenyans
Financial collapse: Confidential exposure analysis of 205 companies each owing above EUR45M to Icelandic bank Kaupthing, 26 Sep 2008 - Publication of a confidential report that has lead to hundreds of newspaper articles worldwide
Barclays Bank gags Guardian over leaked memos detailing offshore tax scam, 16 Mar 2009 - Publication of censored documents revealing a number of elaborate international tax avoidance schemes by the SCM (Structured Capital Markets) division of Barclays
Bank Julius Baer: Grand Larceny via Grand Cayman - How the largest private Swiss bank avoids paying tax to the Swiss government
Der Fall Moonstone Trust - Cayman Islands Swiss bank trust exposed
Over 40 billion euro in 28167 claims made against the Kaupthing Bank, 23 Jan 2010 - List of Kaupthing claimants after Icelandic banking crash
Northern Rock vs. WikiLeaks - Northern Rock Bank UK failed legal injunctions over the ¡Ì24,000,000,000 collapse
Whistleblower exposes insider trading program at JP Morgan - Legal insider trading in three easy steps, brought to you by JP Morgan and the SEC


Censorship technology and internet filtering

Eutelsat suppresses independent Chinese-language TV station NTDTV to satisfy Beijing - French sat provider Eutelsat covertly removed an anti-communist TV channel to satisfy Beijing
Internet Censorship in Thailand - The secret internet censorship lists of Thailand's military junta


Cults and other religious organizations

Church of Scientology's 'Operating Thetan' documents leaked online - Scientology's secret, and highly litigated bibles
Censored Legion de Cristo and Regnum Cristi document collection - Censored internal documents from the Catholic sect Legion de Cristo (Legion of Christ)
US Department of Labor investigation into Landmark Education, 2006 - 2006 investigative report by the U.S. Department of Labor on Landmark Education


Abuse, violence, violation

Report on Shriners raises question of wrongdoing - corruption exposed at 22 U.S. and Canadian children's hospitals.
Claims of molestation resurface for US judo official
Texas Catholic hospitals did not follow Catholic ethics, report claims - Catholic hospitals violated catholic ethics

[Kristy]

I guess its my military training and having had a secret clearance that I take this shit so seriously...

Military training? You?

What was your secret clearance? Your mother not telling the neighbors you played with your G.I. Joe at 35 and had a homoerotic affliction for a doll?

And I thought GAR was delusional.

[Nitro Express]

That is a senseless comparison. We are not at war and it was 65 years ago that British intelligence won the Western Front.

Why is the focus on Wikkileaks and not the astonishing incompetence of the US government in losing all of this information?

Of course this is the same people that have supposedly kept UFO's, the Kennedy assassination and the fake moon landings secret for decades...

If they were smart they wouldn't have made such a big fuss about the leak. Just act like you don't give a shit and dismiss anything in it. By making all the fuss, it brings more attention to it and because the government is so concerned, it's obvious the stuff is juicy. They should have just said Wikiwho? and oh that, I guess you can say anything on the internet.

I mean it's just a website and who knows if anything on it is true unless of course you can verify the sources yourself.

[knuckleboner]

My 2 cents:

Some of the stuff should not be released if it endangers sources or methods.

But obviously there is too much stuff the US Gummint wishes were kept under wraps that We The People SHOULD be made aware of.

And yes, fuck all this crap about diplomatic cables.

If WikiLeaks is going to release anything, leak classified info about UFOs and other stuff we should know about.

I recall something said (I think by Clinton) about how there is stuff still classified that dates back to the Civil War. Why the fuck? I can see stuff staying classified from say, the last 50 years or so.

But they need to declassify a LOT of historical stuff, certainly pre-dating WWI, as all the individuals concerned are DEAD.

wow. crazy day. i think i agree with hardrock69 entirely.

[Nickdfresh]

It's funny, but I turned on a car today (not mine) and Rush Limbaugh was on the radio, and before I could change it to a decent station, he drew me in by talking about the Wikileaks. Basically, Rush started in with the predictable bullshit (tongue in cheek actually) about how the Wikileaks' guy should be executed, but not for what he's doing, but because he looks like a pasty dweeb. He went onto say that he finds the Leaks fascinating and far more interesting that anything in the mainstream media. Maybe one of the only things I've ever agreed with him on.

Incidentally, I've seen this sort of info before as in my "military training," I had Top Secret SCI clearance --and you know what-- most classified message traffic is rather dull and mundane, and isn't much more than like reading a newspaper article with more technical details and elaboration. From what little (admittedly) I've seen, most of the documents aren't particularly sensitive nor enlightening. However, it is fascinating. Take a look at the following link and it portrays the Chinese as not really particularly taking their "allies" in North Korea seriously, and implies that they even share intelligence on them with U.S. diplomats...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40422090/ns/us_news-security

[Nitro Express]

The pasty dweeb's website is pretty boring. He ain't got shit until he spills the beans on Area 51.

[Nitro Express]

You have to admit the world isn't boring. It's insane. Who would have ever thought we would have a president with the crazy name Barrack Obama. North Korea shelling South Korea. Drones bombing Afghanistan, some Kid trying to blow up a Christmas tree lighting celebration, and Vince Neil figure skating. It's all got to be a sign.

[BigBadBrian]

My question to Brie is this....

If you're so right in your conviction, and such a patriot....

What is keeping you from acting on this yourself? The guts?

Why are you waiting for someone braver, smarter, and more patriotic than you to do your dirty work?

So your shitty little band is on break from touring your local area? Practice....you'll get better.

[BigBadBrian]

You already know the answer: Because Brie's a pussy.

Now you're talking like Carla, ya ugly Cunt!

[BigBadBrian]

That is a senseless comparison. We are not at war and it was 65 years ago that British intelligence won the Western Front.

No, it's EXACTLY the same thing! You're just too stupid to realize it! And British Intelligence won the western war all by themselves, did they?