9/11 - What do you think?

[FORD]

Some interesting stuff on this tonight.

I'm not sure if you can use BBC iPlayer outside the UK but here are the links.

I managed to find both programs from my usual download sources, so I'll get around to them some time this weekend, but does this mean the BBC has now completely bought into the BCE narrative of 9-11-01?

I seem to remember a documentary called "The Power of Nightmares, where they factually stated that the idea of a "worldwide terraist network" called Al Qaeda was complete fiction. And also looked into the parallel histories of Islamic fundagelicalism, and the neocon shitbags, the fact that both came into existence around the same time, how they feed off each other, etc.

Of course the fact that the BBC *did* report the collapse of WTC 7, while their live camera on the scene still showed it standing, always did seem a bit suspicious to me....

[FORD]

what, exactly, in my post was scientifically impossible?

Well, the most blatant example would be a fire supposedly hot enough to melt or "weaken" steel (which itself is ridiculous) miraculously did NOT burn the Holy Allah-Blessed Passport of alleged Jihad Warrior Mohammed Atta.

Either somebody planted that thing, or Allah truly DID bless this attack, and left a piece of fucking paper intact to bring glory unto Him.

[Seshmeister]

I managed to find both programs from my usual download sources, so I'll get around to them some time this weekend, but does this mean the BBC has now completely bought into the BCE narrative of 9-11-01?

I seem to remember a documentary called "The Power of Nightmares, where they factually stated that the idea of a "worldwide terraist network" called Al Qaeda was complete fiction. And also looked into the parallel histories of Islamic fundagelicalism, and the neocon shitbags, the fact that both came into existence around the same time, how they feed off each other, etc.

Of course the fact that the BBC *did* report the collapse of WTC 7, while their live camera on the scene still showed it standing, always did seem a bit suspicious to me....

What you call the BCE narrative or the official version, is a misnomer.

It is the version accepted by everyone apart from conspiracy theorists on the internet, which is a different thing entirely.

The Power of Nightmares which I think I was the one to post questioned strongly the whole Al Qaeda as a global James Bond like SPECTRE organisation but that didn't preclude in any way 20 suicide bombers attacking the US.

The BBC conspiracy on WTC 7 is definitely very near the top in the 'fucking retarded' league table of conspiracy crap.

Do you not remember the confusion on that day? The BBC reports a building as coming down instead of what the firefighters on the scene were saying, that it was about to come down. Whoopee fucking do.

The crazy fucked up paranoia that then converts that event into the BBC reading off a script early is the stuff of mental illness. I'm serious. If you think that then you need help and should possibly be committed to a mental treatment institution.

[Seshmeister]

Well, the most blatant example would be a fire supposedly hot enough to melt or "weaken" steel (which itself is ridiculous)

If you keep saying that year after year despite the thousands of references as to how heat weakens steel then you are just making yourself look very silly.

[Seshmeister]

Well, the most blatant example would be a fire supposedly hot enough to melt or "weaken" steel (which itself is ridiculous) miraculously did NOT burn the Holy Allah-Blessed Passport of alleged Jihad Warrior Mohammed Atta.

Either somebody planted that thing, or Allah truly DID bless this attack, and left a piece of fucking paper intact to bring glory unto Him.

http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

[standin]

Just for thought.... Is finding 20 people to commit mass suicide from an imaginary global James Bond like SPECTRE organisation any easier than finding 20 elitist willing to terminate a few thousand for money, position, and a global chess move?

Just for note, there have been few body pits 75 - 100+ turn up as of late.

[FORD]

You're going to have to do better than a site put up by proxy cowards.

Anyone who puts up information on a website and claims it as facts should have the balls to stand behind it.

[Heater]

Just when I realize that playing with a bunch of overzealous rock fans was a waste of time and mean spirited in some way, I stumble across this thread. I will cut right to the chase Mr. Ford. How long after the first tower strike did you arrive at ground zero, how long after that did you Remain there, how many of your friends and inner circle are affected to this day by the events of this day, physically, I mean. Or even emotionally because of what they experienced firsthand. You say you are a journalist, I hope the DLRArmy is not your sole output. And as you state, few have the info or whatever to debate anyone about this subject. if you are another Internet junkie who believes what they read at some sites, fills in the gaps with speculation and considers himself an expert or Truther based on this info and then holds himself above all others as an expert. well, what do you want to discuss? Picking up body parts? Consoling family, assisting other rescuers? Crying in your tent between shifts as a rescue turned into a recovery assignment? Were you there when building 7 collapsed? Did you see the rear side of building 7 3 hours before it fell? What were your firsthand eyewitness accounts of ground zero over the first 72 hours? I would love to know. how many distraught family members did you console? You going to sit there behind your computer and troll the loose change bs sites and read too far into misinformation and call yourself an expert? Motherfucker, you better watch your step, what I saw, the debriefings I attended, the realness of that event, you saw none firsthand. But now you say you have the truth? What are you saying to those of us who were there and came away differently? Nothing, because you don't know what to say, and you better realize a well read, pompous webber is a poor substitute for eyewitnesses who saw more in a week than you will for your entire life. Watch your ego bud, we're not discussing the hi points of Diver Down here, I don't know if you get that. What makes you an expert? We'd love to hear.

[FORD]

Fuck off Bleater. Your pollution of Main is bad enough.

[FORD]

9/11 Memorial Curators Decide Not To Display Swastika Formed By Twisted Girders Found At Ground Zero

September 9, 2011 | ISSUE 47•36

NEW YORK—Despite the surprising coincidence of finding a perfectly formed swastika amidst the broken girders of the Twin Towers, 9/11 memorial curators have opted not to display the symbol, choosing instead to leave it in the storage facility where it has been located for the past 10 years. "On the one hand, it's pretty miraculous that there was a precisely shaped 80-by-80-foot swastika found in the rubble of the fallen World Trade Center, but in the end, we decided not to include it in our plans for the museum," said memorial spokesman Stanley Morgenstern, adding that it would probably be seen as inappropriate. "Although you've got to admit that it is pretty incredible. Mathematically, what are the odds? It's amazing but, perhaps, not right for what we are trying to achieve with the museum." Upon hearing the news, neo-Nazi groups have complained about the exclusion, arguing that the giant swastika is "a sign from heaven" and that "9/11 affected all Americans, including those who believe in the inherent genetic superiority of the Aryan race."

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[standin]

Just when I realize that playing with a bunch of overzealous rock fans was a waste of time and mean spirited in some way, I stumble across this thread. I will cut right to the chase Mr. Ford. How long after the first tower strike did you arrive at ground zero, how long after that did you Remain there, how many of your friends and inner circle are affected to this day by the events of this day, physically, I mean. Or even emotionally because of what they experienced firsthand. You say you are a journalist, I hope the DLRArmy is not your sole output. And as you state, few have the info or whatever to debate anyone about this subject. if you are another Internet junkie who believes what they read at some sites, fills in the gaps with speculation and considers himself an expert or Truther based on this info and then holds himself above all others as an expert. well, what do you want to discuss? Picking up body parts? Consoling family, assisting other rescuers? Crying in your tent between shifts as a rescue turned into a recovery assignment? Were you there when building 7 collapsed? Did you see the rear side of building 7 3 hours before it fell? What were your firsthand eyewitness accounts of ground zero over the first 72 hours? I would love to know. how many distraught family members did you console? You going to sit there behind your computer and troll the loose change bs sites and read too far into misinformation and call yourself an expert? Motherfucker, you better watch your step, what I saw, the debriefings I attended, the realness of that event, you saw none firsthand. But now you say you have the truth? What are you saying to those of us who were there and came away differently? Nothing, because you don't know what to say, and you better realize a well read, pompous webber is a poor substitute for eyewitnesses who saw more in a week than you will for your entire life. Watch your ego bud, we're not discussing the hi points of Diver Down here, I don't know if you get that. What makes you an expert? We'd love to hear.

Forensics trumps, no pun intended, eye witnesses. Eye witnesses are unreliable, exception being filmed.

[standin]

9/11 Memorial Curators Decide Not To Display Swastika Formed By Twisted Girders Found At Ground Zero

September 9, 2011 | ISSUE 47•36

NEW YORK—Despite the surprising coincidence of finding a perfectly formed swastika amidst the broken girders of the Twin Towers, 9/11 memorial curators have opted not to display the symbol, choosing instead to leave it in the storage facility where it has been located for the past 10 years. "On the one hand, it's pretty miraculous that there was a precisely shaped 80-by-80-foot swastika found in the rubble of the fallen World Trade Center, but in the end, we decided not to include it in our plans for the museum," said memorial spokesman Stanley Morgenstern, adding that it would probably be seen as inappropriate. "Although you've got to admit that it is pretty incredible. Mathematically, what are the odds? It's amazing but, perhaps, not right for what we are trying to achieve with the museum." Upon hearing the news, neo-Nazi groups have complained about the exclusion, arguing that the giant swastika is "a sign from heaven" and that "9/11 affected all Americans, including those who believe in the inherent genetic superiority of the Aryan race."

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Hell, as I state this drunk... it could have been a drunken signature of the expended team.
Who had those elevator contracts anyway?

[Nitro Express]

9/11 Memorial Curators Decide Not To Display Swastika Formed By Twisted Girders Found At Ground Zero

September 9, 2011 | ISSUE 47•36

NEW YORK—Despite the surprising coincidence of finding a perfectly formed swastika amidst the broken girders of the Twin Towers, 9/11 memorial curators have opted not to display the symbol, choosing instead to leave it in the storage facility where it has been located for the past 10 years. "On the one hand, it's pretty miraculous that there was a precisely shaped 80-by-80-foot swastika found in the rubble of the fallen World Trade Center, but in the end, we decided not to include it in our plans for the museum," said memorial spokesman Stanley Morgenstern, adding that it would probably be seen as inappropriate. "Although you've got to admit that it is pretty incredible. Mathematically, what are the odds? It's amazing but, perhaps, not right for what we are trying to achieve with the museum." Upon hearing the news, neo-Nazi groups have complained about the exclusion, arguing that the giant swastika is "a sign from heaven" and that "9/11 affected all Americans, including those who believe in the inherent genetic superiority of the Aryan race."

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it never ceases to amaze me how strange people act and the strangeness of 9/11. It didn't unify us. It's driving us apart. We can't even have a memorial service without a big fuss and fighting over stupid shit.

[Tob]

fear-mongering - ambush - scripted actors - Bilderberg meetings - beliefs - not questioning where they got them from - motives - professional opinions - (d)isinfo - form of manipulation

You write "fear-mongering" - "ThrillsNSpills" may be "afraid" of truth expressed. You "think" or imagine, maybe, "ambush" did occur? You know such from Sesh' with his "ignoring" or "spin-piece" presentation, because he knows his "building" has "fallen" with his video - we know "U.S." force "has been" expressing such with it's fires, pulse-weather, flooding, shooting, with "spin" expression it calls "news media." Those beings "calling" for "scripting" that such group calls "news" have not presented "themselves" - such group "uses" what such group calls "tools" with "scape-goats" in their expression of "control" efforts.

"U.S. news" expresses "beliefs" with no "questioning where they got them from," every single day. "Source" is, with truth, never "cited" by such group. "U.S." force feels "motivated" to "kill" with "lying" with "stealing" with it's "war" - it "terrorizes" with it's fires, pulse-weather "hurricane" formation, "flooding" water, "shooting" (everything for "shock" with getting "attention"), then such group "spins" with it's "news media." Question is good, so is answer - "professional opinions" from "U.S." force have been "diverting" minds, trying to get your "attention" from awareness. We may question, we may answer, we may THINK, we may REALIZE.

[Heater]

Fuck off Bleater. Your pollution of Main is bad enough.

And your holier than thou posturing coupled with the love you have for yourself is something to behold. You are arrogant, look down at everyone and are adversarial at times just for the sport of it. Anybody can plant themselves in front of a computer, do some research and find the answers; correct ones or just answers that will fit into ones agenda, formulate an opinion, and fancy oneself an "expert". Then after all the "info they don't want you to know" is pored over and can be spoken by rote the real fun starts. Off comes the aluminum foil hat, this is followed by bragging about how much you KNOW, and that it would be difficult for you to lower yourself to discuss these topics With unenlightened individuals. Thankfully, you are a journalist, so your word will get out there. For the first time eyes will be opened, and what was once considered a horror the likes of which never before seen will be exposed. Families who lost loved ones during the attacks will get to see their lives trivialized. They weren't hijack victims, they were pawns in a government conspiracy, right? Flight 93 never crashed, isn't that one of the truthies beliefs? Where did those passengers end up? Please get in touch with their families so they can stop weeping, tell them what you know and reunite them! Where is a journalist of your caliber published? I would love to finally hear what really happened