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Yup. It's fascism. If it can't be fixed with an election it goes to the states and there will be a big fight between the feds and the states or certain ones. A situation we haven't been in since the civil war. The leash has been pulled from the people's grasp and now the federal government is running wild down the sidewalk biting people along the way. Don't forget the Defense Authorization Act. In Europe and North America mathmatically the bankers lose. The European Union has more debt than the Gross National Product of planet earth and so does the US. The banks are for all real purposes broke. So in desperation they grab political power and they are just going to try and take over and make everyone slaves. In Europe Spain, Ireland, and Iceland have told them to fuck off. Notice no body has invaded these countries yet. I doubt the states will be invaded when we tell the Federal Government and it's banking cronies to fuck off. It's the corrupt portion of the 1%. There are very few of these people and the good thing is we know who they are. They are scared of us. That is why they have all their political cronies passing these laws to scare people from rising up. All it would take to change things is throwing some old men in jail. Most of the fuckwits are old geriatrics ready to kick it anyways. We can start with H.W. Bush. That would make Ford happy.
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Yeah, but the general population doesn't care...
They're more worried about playing angry birds and watching Idol than stuff that actually matters...
I went to my wife's cousins house months ago and I asked if I could watch the debates while they played cards...
There were a handfull of people there in their mid 20s and a few older people...
Nobody knew the candidates except a few recognized Newt...
But they all agreed Iran has nukes and wants to attack Israel and the US...
That's the fucking problem in a nutshell...
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Obama sucks! He turned out to be a typical politician with all these political promises when he was running and then when he gets in office. Nada.
As I've mentioned numerous times before I am far from a political expert but this is what I former co-worker of mine wrote on Facebook today:
I urge all people regardless of party to be against Obama Care because the bill has a lot more in in that takes away our freedom... on example in the bill it gives the government the right to take your savings account funds if they so deem its necessary to help the debt... also it excludes illegal aliens from paying any part of the debt, while we the tax payer pays for their health benefit.... we need to get rid of the socialist attitude of our Senate starting with Senator Reed and the rest of the socialist like Ms. Walters and Ms. Boxer from California. In the Congress first one to go should be Ms. Palosi.
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no it wasn't. the progressives HATE this bill.
the fact that some people still call it socialized medicine only goes to show you that the republican spin machine was on its game last congress. but this bill is in NO WAY the bill most democrats wanted. once republicans made it clear that their goal was simply to stop whatever the democrats were doing (like opposing a plan that mimicked the conserative heritage foundation's recommendations) moderate democrats began to peel off, and the only way to hold a majority was a fairly industry-friendly bill.Comment
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Obamacare dies TODAY !!!
YIPPIE !!!
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“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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I was thinking about this yesterday....say Obamacare is passed. Then everyone is required by law to have insurance. Does that mean all motorcycle helmet laws will be automatically repealed? Since those were put in place because uninsured riders could get injured and cost us all a ton of money. At least that was the excuse to have yet another freedom taken away. So with Obamacare you have your own insurance, you should be free to ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you so choose, right?“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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The state has no use for you, Mr. Sadist !!!
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A long way to go to social equity concerning medicare for all.
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Medicare is partly to blame for skyrocketing costs...
On top of that, the fraud and abuse of medicare is rampant and runs in the billions of dollars each year doing nothing but lining the pockets of crooks while denying preferred care to those that need it...
Imagine the abuse in a huge medicare monopoly that supposedly covers everybody...
It's a recipe for disaster, and anyone who works in the sick-care field will tell you that...except the vultures looking to get rich from it...
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What is your solution to the problem, ELVIS?Comment
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America's health care reform through history
WASHINGTON — The three days of arguments beginning before the Supreme Court on Monday may mark a turning point in a century of debate over what role the government should play in helping all Americans afford medical care. A look at the issue through the years:
1912:
Former President Theodore Roosevelt champions national health insurance as he tries to ride his progressive Bull Moose party back to the White House. It's an idea ahead of its time; health insurance is a rarity and medical fees are relatively low because doctors cannot do much for most patients. But medical breakthroughs are beginning to revolutionize hospitals and drive up costs. Roosevelt loses the race.
1929:
Baylor Hospital in Texas originates group health insurance. Dallas teachers pay 50 cents a month to cover up to 21 days of hospital care per year. The plan grows into Blue Cross.
1932:
After five years of work, doctors, economists and hospital administrators on the independent Committee on the Costs of Medical Care publish their report about the increasing costs of health care and the number of people going untreated. They say health care should be available to all.
1935:
Americans struggle to pay for medical care amid the Great Depression. President Franklin D. Roosevelt favors creating national health insurance, but decides to push for Social Security first. He never gets the health program passed.
1942:
Roosevelt establishes wage and price controls as part of the nation's emergency response to World War II. Businesses can't attract workers with higher pay so instead they compete through added benefits, including health insurance, which unexpectedly grows into a workplace perk. Workplace plans get a boost the following year when the government says it won't tax employers' contributions to employee health insurance.
1945:
Saying medical care is a right of all Americans, President Harry Truman calls on Congress to create a national insurance program for those who pay voluntary fees. The American Medical Association denounces the idea as "socialized medicine." Truman tries for years but can't get it passed.
1960:
John F. Kennedy makes health care a major campaign issue but as president can't get a plan for the elderly through Congress.
1965:
Medicare for people age 65 and older and Medicaid for the poor signed into law. President Lyndon B. Johnson's legendary arm-twisting and a Congress dominated by his fellow Democrats succeeded in creating the kind of landmark health care programs that eluded his predecessors.
1971:
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., offers his proposal for a government-run plan to be financed through payroll taxes.
1974:
President Richard Nixon puts forth a plan to cover all Americans through private insurers. Employers would be required to cover their workers and federal subsidies would help others buy insurance. The Watergate scandal intervenes.
1976:
Jimmy Carter pushes a mandatory national health plan, but a deep economic recession helps push it aside.
1986:
Congress passes and President Ronald Reagan signs into law COBRA, a requirement that employers let former workers stay on the company health care plan for 18 months after leaving a job, with the worker bearing the cost.
1988:
Congress expands Medicare by adding a prescription drug benefit and catastrophic care coverage. It doesn't last long. Barraged by protests from older people upset about paying a tax to finance the additional coverage, Congress repeals the law the next year.
1992:
Helping the uninsured becomes a big issue of the Democratic primaries and spills over into the general election. Democrat Bill Clinton wants to require businesses to provide insurance to their employees, with the government helping everyone else; Republican President George H.W. Bush proposes tax breaks to make it easier to afford insurance.
1993:
Newly elected, Clinton puts first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in charge of developing what becomes a 1,300-page plan for universal coverage. It requires businesses to cover their workers and mandates that everyone have insurance. The plan meets strong Republican opposition, divides congressional Democrats and comes under a firestorm of lobbying from businesses and the health care industry. It never gets to a vote in the Democrat-led Senate.
2003:
President George W. Bush persuades Congress to add prescription drug coverage to Medicare in a major expansion of Johnson's "Great Society" program for seniors.
2008:
Hillary Rodham Clinton makes a sweeping health care plan, including a requirement that everyone have coverage, central to her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. She loses to Barack Obama, who promotes his own less comprehensive plan.
2009:
Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress spend an intense year ironing out a compromise that requires companies other than very small businesses to cover their workers, mandates that everyone have insurance or pay a fine, requires insurance companies to accept all comers, regardless of any pre-existing conditions, and assists people who can't afford insurance.
2010:
Congress passes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, designed to extend health care coverage to more than 30 million uninsured people. Obama signs it into law March 23.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The three days of arguments beginning before the Supreme Court on Monday may mark a turning point in a century of debate over what role the government should play in helping all Americans afford medical care. A look at the issue through the years:
1912:
Former President Theodore Roosevelt champions national health insurance as he tries to ride his progressive Bull Moose party back to the White House. It's an idea ahead of its time; health insurance is a rarity and medical fees are relatively low because doctors cannot do much for most patients. But medical breakthroughs are beginning to revolutionize hospitals and drive up costs. Roosevelt loses the race.
1929:
Baylor Hospital in Texas originates group health insurance. Dallas teachers pay 50 cents a month to cover up to 21 days of hospital care per year. The plan grows into Blue Cross.
1932:
After five years of work, doctors, economists and hospital administrators on the independent Committee on the Costs of Medical Care publish their report about the increasing costs of health care and the number of people going untreated. They say health care should be available to all.
1935:
Americans struggle to pay for medical care amid the Great Depression. President Franklin D. Roosevelt favors creating national health insurance, but decides to push for Social Security first. He never gets the health program passed.
1942:
Roosevelt establishes wage and price controls as part of the nation's emergency response to World War II. Businesses can't attract workers with higher pay so instead they compete through added benefits, including health insurance, which unexpectedly grows into a workplace perk. Workplace plans get a boost the following year when the government says it won't tax employers' contributions to employee health insurance.
1945:
Saying medical care is a right of all Americans, President Harry Truman calls on Congress to create a national insurance program for those who pay voluntary fees. The American Medical Association denounces the idea as "socialized medicine." Truman tries for years but can't get it passed.
1960:
John F. Kennedy makes health care a major campaign issue but as president can't get a plan for the elderly through Congress.
1965:
Medicare for people age 65 and older and Medicaid for the poor signed into law. President Lyndon B. Johnson's legendary arm-twisting and a Congress dominated by his fellow Democrats succeeded in creating the kind of landmark health care programs that eluded his predecessors.
1971:
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., offers his proposal for a government-run plan to be financed through payroll taxes.
1974:
President Richard Nixon puts forth a plan to cover all Americans through private insurers. Employers would be required to cover their workers and federal subsidies would help others buy insurance. The Watergate scandal intervenes.
1976:
Jimmy Carter pushes a mandatory national health plan, but a deep economic recession helps push it aside.
1986:
Congress passes and President Ronald Reagan signs into law COBRA, a requirement that employers let former workers stay on the company health care plan for 18 months after leaving a job, with the worker bearing the cost.
1988:
Congress expands Medicare by adding a prescription drug benefit and catastrophic care coverage. It doesn't last long. Barraged by protests from older people upset about paying a tax to finance the additional coverage, Congress repeals the law the next year.
1992:
Helping the uninsured becomes a big issue of the Democratic primaries and spills over into the general election. Democrat Bill Clinton wants to require businesses to provide insurance to their employees, with the government helping everyone else; Republican President George H.W. Bush proposes tax breaks to make it easier to afford insurance.
1993:
Newly elected, Clinton puts first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in charge of developing what becomes a 1,300-page plan for universal coverage. It requires businesses to cover their workers and mandates that everyone have insurance. The plan meets strong Republican opposition, divides congressional Democrats and comes under a firestorm of lobbying from businesses and the health care industry. It never gets to a vote in the Democrat-led Senate.
2003:
President George W. Bush persuades Congress to add prescription drug coverage to Medicare in a major expansion of Johnson's "Great Society" program for seniors.
2008:
Hillary Rodham Clinton makes a sweeping health care plan, including a requirement that everyone have coverage, central to her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. She loses to Barack Obama, who promotes his own less comprehensive plan.
2009:
Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress spend an intense year ironing out a compromise that requires companies other than very small businesses to cover their workers, mandates that everyone have insurance or pay a fine, requires insurance companies to accept all comers, regardless of any pre-existing conditions, and assists people who can't afford insurance.
2010:
Congress passes the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, designed to extend health care coverage to more than 30 million uninsured people. Obama signs it into law March 23.
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PPACA passed the Senate on December 24, 2009, by a vote of 60–39 with all Democrats and two Independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against.[9] It passed the House of Representatives on March 21, 2010, by a vote of 219–212, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against the bill.[10]Comment
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The more I read about this act the madder it makes me. As much as it pains me to say it I did find some info that lends credibility to kickme's lobbyist crap. I'm not posting it though out of spite.
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