President Obama finally "evolves" in his views on marriage equality.

[Nickdfresh]

No, I'm explicitly stating that being attracted to the same gender is inherent in some individuals, that they are born that way, and that it's most likely a result of some problem that occurred either as a result of genetics or along the way during their gestation period.

But that isn't a "disorder" along the lines of autism. Most gays are very high functioning as adults whereas those with autism have severe socialization problems...

Buttsex is different than who gender(s) you are attracted to.

I've heard it argued (Carl Jung?) that sexuality is a spectrum and not some dichotomous black-and-white, and that most have a capacity to be bisexual to some, varying degrees though most people are inherently more attracted physically and emotionally to the opposite sex. The Ancient Greeks and Romans had largely socially engineered bisexuality to one extent or another, afterall, the "300" Spartans were probably largely buggering each other to one extent or another. Did they all happen to have "birth defects?"...

[Nickdfresh]

I think that probably has to do with being accepted and hiding who they truly are. I feel bad for people that have to hide their entire lives. that has to be a shitty feeling. Just more evidence that it is not a choice. if it were I don't think these people would choose to put themselves through all that misery.

Or being hounded in high school by fucking retards like BBB...

[FORD]

Or being hounded in high school by fucking retards like BBB...

...and Willard Mittens Romney.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Doc I think the word you're looking for is congenital.


Because it doesn't carry the negative connotation as a defect, and also because it contains the word genital.


UH HUH HUH UH HUH HUH HUH

[clarathecarrot]

No, I'm explicitly stating that being attracted to the same gender is inherent in some individuals, that they are born that way, and that it's most likely a result of some problem that occurred either as a result of genetics or along the way during their gestation period.

Buttsex is different than which gender(s) you are attracted to.

It is easy for people to, " blame" this on genetics....it is a very used situation like a escape from guilt,...the situation perfectly protects the person if , something, anything,. goes wrong or can be seen as possible not a sound choice.

It takes all the blame for the action, out of the hand of the individual.

I firmly believe in victim of accidental situational effect,.. circumstances,..life and it's many outward effects on a completely unrelatable situation.

No Harsh.

[Dr. Love]

But that isn't a "disorder" along the lines of autism. Most gays are very high functioning as adults whereas those with autism have severe socialization problems...

Not all disorders/defects are like that. I think homosexuality is result of a defect in the function of the brain. Autism is too, but to different effect.

Having a birth defect or disorder simply means that some aspect of your body did not develop in a "normal" way due to some influence (genetic or otherwise). I have a neurological disorder myself (synaesthesia) and have long since accepted that it makes some aspects of my life measurably different than "normal" people. Consistent homosexuality is not a normal behavior, making it very likely a neurological disorder. If you accept that premise, then it's a question of if you were born that way or something happened post-birth that prompted the behavior.

I wonder if people that reject the idea that their behavior differs from the norm and cannot rationally consider or accept the notion that they may have a disorder (or defect) to their physical makeup reject the idea because they struggle to accept themselves for who they are.

That's rhetorical; I'm not accusing anyone of that here.

Did they all happen to have "birth defects?"...

Of course they did. They're greek!

More seriously, I think that is more likely a learned behavior. It all depends -- are they naturally, latently attracted to the same gender, or are they opportunistically doing it but prefer the opposite gender? Are they doing it due to social pressures or because they simply find others of the same gender more attractive and preferable?

[Dr. Love]

It is easy for people to, " blame" this on genetics....it is a very used situation like a escape from guilt,...the situation perfectly protects the person if , something, anything,. goes wrong or can be seen as possible not a sound choice.

It takes all the blame for the action, out of the hand of the individual.

I firmly believe in victim of accidental situational effect,.. circumstances,..life and it's many outward effects on a completely unrelatable situation.

No Harsh.

Why do you think someone should be blamed or feel guilty for being homosexual? Why would being homosexual imply the need for a victim?

[Dr. Love]

Doc I think the word you're looking for is congenital.


Because it doesn't carry the negative connotation as a defect, and also because it contains the word genital.


UH HUH HUH UH HUH HUH HUH

You're right... homosexuals have a hard time getting a grip on their congenitals!

[clarathecarrot]

Why do you think someone should be blamed or feel guilty for being homosexual? Why would being homosexual imply the need for a victim?

I don't think..<(nice sig material right there) I was saying the homosexual people should feel guilty.

I meant that the use of the reason, as genetic, as in born this way, takes all personal choice out of the situation.

We all have the option of choice and most people have a long list of effects those choice can bring into their lives.

"You (any situation) chose to put that condom on when you had that sex, you could have just as easily not done it at all."

[Nickdfresh]

Not all disorders/defects are like that. I think homosexuality is result of a defect in the function of the brain. Autism is too, but to different effect.

Then they're not the same...

Having a birth defect or disorder simply means that some aspect of your body did not develop in a "normal" way due to some influence (genetic or otherwise). I have a neurological disorder myself (synaesthesia)...

I sorry about your ailment (although it sounds fascinating), but I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'birth defect' as much as it is a condition...

...Consistent homosexuality is not a normal behavior, making it very likely a neurological disorder. If you accept that premise, then it's a question of if you were born that way or something happened post-birth that prompted the behavior. I wonder if people that reject the idea that their behavior differs from the norm and cannot rationally consider or accept the notion that they may have a disorder (or defect) to their physical makeup reject the idea because they struggle to accept themselves for who they are.

Um, how do you define "normal?" Because it seems many people indulge in "abnormal" behaviors by that definition. is it really possible to label them all "birth defects?"..

Of course they did. They're greek!

More seriously, I think that is more likely a learned behavior. It all depends -- are they naturally, latently attracted to the same gender, or are they opportunistically doing it but prefer the opposite gender? Are they doing it due to social pressures or because they simply find others of the same gender more attractive and preferable?

If it was a "learned behavior," then it could not have been a "birth defect" as those learning had a capacity for it to begin with? Can one "learn" to be autistic? or synesthetes? I doubt it...

[clarathecarrot]

I grew up with a unique possible strange group of individuals (everyone can say that I am sure) but these cats and kittens were way out man!

and I came to the conclusion many moons ago that, sex is not a reason to form a lobby on capital hill and demand justice or equality for said sexual prefference.

Sex is a small part of life... BLOWN!!!! way out of perportion by,.. what the fuck... I just don't know.

I have had sex with women to the point where I melted myself thru them and couldn't have been closer to them if I was standing behind them at the same time...we all have perhaps.

The naming of yourself as sex act descriptive "type" of humanoid is unreal to me.

My own personal life shoices can lead me to believe I am more than likely wrong.

But, my observations of others proves me right.

See below post if you want to...

page 4 post # 151 link

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?65536-President-Obama-finally-quot-evolves-quot-in-his-views-on-marriage-equality.&p=1650772&viewfull=1#post1650772

I have been contemplating a theory for a decade or so lightly around the edges...of my pursuit of understanding the human condition.

If I remember correctly..( last time I studied this was in maybe the 5th grade) ..,but arent' there like 8 or so types of humans...like some scientific..data norm that states all people skull shapes can be traced to a certain "race".

Not like a acnient Cro Magnon or Austrilopithiucus Man (sp) or some shit ...but like Asian and Upper Ukrain..ect shapes of Modern Mans Post Neanderthal..etc... skulls...

Found it... see below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropometry

I cannot believe i remembered that there were 8 types maybe my brain isn't so damaged after all..lol...riiiigggghhht..

Is this bigotry..or fact..?

So, what the Gays are saying is they are a seperate, Type of Human...?

Perhaps The Gay skulls.... should be listed as the 9th type of Human walking, ERECT!!!!

They were born that way as, GaGa sais ..she panders to this stereotype...maybe she is right,,, "they" are different.

Sometimes I think people just want to be more than what they are.

[Nickdfresh]

I don't think..<(nice sig material right there) I was saying the homosexual people should feel guilty.

I meant that the use of the reason, as genetic, as in born this way, takes all personal choice out of the situation.

We all have the option of choice and most people have a long list of effects those choice can bring into their lives.

"You (any situation) chose to put that condom on when you had that sex, you could have just as easily not done it at all."

"Attraction is NOT a choice." --David DeAngelo

[clarathecarrot]

If I am a Caucasiod Gay and I want to marry a Australoid will that be allowed or frowned upon by the government ?

Will there be a blood test..?

Will Homosexual people be catagorized as a gentic (gay gene mutation) skull shape within a Anthropometrical designation as a diffferent kind of human ?..

He is not gay.. he is a Japan gay. who is with a Austaloid and he demands even different priviliges under the new marriage laws.

Special recognition ...as such... not just.. same sex, that is so last year...

Ok, this above post is even nuts to me, but I know people and can almost bet that things will get wierd.

Everyone wants to find a special more better group to be sewn into.

I feel safe within the -fucked up dipshit- genetic group.

Fight The Power.

[clarathecarrot]

"Attraction is NOT a choice." --David DeAngelo

pheromones..(sp).Allways gets me out of my chair, the rest of the package is a moot point, if the chemical isn't perfectly in sync.

Perhaps the gay issue is a nasal issue.

[Nitro Express]

I think we should focus on more important issues like the economy and going back to the constitutional republic instead of this corporate fantasy land we are in. Most the population doesn't want gay marriage. The concept has only existed for a few short years while traditional marriage has a history of thousands of years. It's just another controversial issue to stir the pot with. To get everyone arguing and to get the news coverage on that instead of the real problems.