Why I'm voting for Obama in November

[So this is love]

Looking in from the outside when is the first Mexicano-Americano President of the US of A??

[knuckleboner]

at worst, yes.

first of all, the world is gray. fighting a war against a non-state enemy is a new situation that requires clarification of laws, at the least.

is the government targeting American citizens wrong? does it matter where? if the government is at war with the taliban, and 3 people are planning another attack, and 2 are yemeni and 1 is an American, is it wrong to target all 3? maybe. but in my mind, it's a different gradation than if the guy was an internet bar in cincinnati.

this doesn't mean i like indefinite dentenion. i don't. but the fact that we're still trying to figure out how to fix it doesn't mean i discount everything else that's done.

as for indefinite detention and habeus, yeah, i'm not a fan. but i

[knuckleboner]

Of course. But there are better choices out there that propose that as well.

well, in my mind, there isn't any better choice on the ballot in november. but maybe there was beforehand. but maybe not. president's need to work with congress to implement things. and if congress doesn't want to help, then the greatest candidate ever is going to be an ineffective president.

[Satan]

Looking in from the outside when is the first Mexicano-Americano President of the US of A??

If Willard Mittens Romney steals the election, that would be him (His father was born in Mexico)

[ELVIS]

There are not enough terrorist bogeymen running around to warrant detaining and assassinating Americans with no due process and there never will be !!

DO NOT TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY!!!


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[Blaze]

There are not enough terrorist bogeymen running around to warrant detaining and assassinating Americans with no due process and there never will be !!

DO NOT TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY!!!


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Did you say that in '04?

[Little Texan]

Whether it's Obama or Romney that wins the election, we're fucked either way. This makes how many elections in a row that we've had to choose between two shit candidates and had to decide who is the lesser of the two evils? What is the deal? Why can't we ever get a decent candidate to run for President anymore?

[Dr. Love]

at worst, yes.

first of all, the world is gray. fighting a war against a non-state enemy is a new situation that requires clarification of laws, at the least.

is the government targeting American citizens wrong? does it matter where? if the government is at war with the taliban, and 3 people are planning another attack, and 2 are yemeni and 1 is an American, is it wrong to target all 3? maybe. but in my mind, it's a different gradation than if the guy was an internet bar in cincinnati.

this doesn't mean i like indefinite dentenion. i don't. but the fact that we're still trying to figure out how to fix it doesn't mean i discount everything else that's done.

as for indefinite detention and habeus, yeah, i'm not a fan. but i

that sounds suspiciously like the justifications used by the Bush Administration... which is ironic, given how similar the Obama Administration is.

[Dr. Love]

well, in my mind, there isn't any better choice on the ballot in november. but maybe there was beforehand. but maybe not. president's need to work with congress to implement things. and if congress doesn't want to help, then the greatest candidate ever is going to be an ineffective president.

You have just described the last 4 years for the most part... so by your reasoning, why vote for a candidate that congress doesn't want to work with?

[Satan]

Whether it's Obama or Romney that wins the election, we're fucked either way. This makes how many elections in a row that we've had to choose between two shit candidates and had to decide who is the lesser of the two evils? What is the deal? Why can't we ever get a decent candidate to run for President anymore?

https://www.voterocky.org

[Satan]

well, in my mind, there isn't any better choice on the ballot in november.

But there is......

[LoungeMachine]

The sad part is that most people are either going to vote for Obama because they can't stand Romney, or vote for Romney because they can't stand Obama. Neither one are going to be held to account for their record. If they were, neither would be elected (and neither deserves to be)

No, the sad part is most people don't understand that the next pResident will likely add 2-3 people to the SCOTUS, and that is very important....

Or that the REAL power lies in the Legistlative Branch......

I'm not only voting for Obama, but his coattails as well.....



And until we get rid of the filibuster rule, only a 60 vote majority will ever mean shit in the Senate

By the way, Doc.....is that your own work? I saw no link so I'm assuming it is.

[LoungeMachine]

Furthermore, let's get real for a moment.

The Citizens United verdict pretty much guaranteed the status quo for this [and many more] election cycle, so what IS anyone's REAL plan?

Romney and a RePuke majority in both houses?

Some thrid party acid flashback [sorry, FORD, Kwame] that has less chance than Ron Paul at getting elected?



Set your sights on 2016 and start TODAY.....

But it's going to be the Mormon with a 1/3 Billion in tax shelters all over the world, OR the centrist, spineless, Incumbent.

You have no other options this November.

[Seshmeister]

No... I'm much more concerned about the expansion of the warfare state and the more aggressive erosion of civil liberties.

I would have thought that the erosion of civil liberties would accelerate rapidly if you have a government and Supreme Court appointed by the party of religious extremists or are you only worried about civil liberties that directly affect you?

[Nickdfresh]

Placed sanctions on Iran that will likely lead to war.

Incorrect, the tougher sanctions are widely believed to be reducing the chance of war in Euro circles...