Why I'm voting for Obama in November

[Dr. Love]

Yeah, I'm sure Obama is titillated about the thought of fucking the shit out of us all, but the fact is that you're blaming him for everything wrong with the system and acting as if he has some sort of omnipotent power to instantly "change" everything. What a naive, black-and-white worldview that is completely devoid of nuance. The system is set up this way, and he certainly didn't create it. To be fair to Obama, I'm sure there is a lot in the "system" he would love to change but cannot do so realistically...

I guess I just thought we all deserved another Teddy Roosevelt, or FDR, or Andrew Jackson. Someone that would stand up to the big money and big banks and tear them apart for the good of the country. Not sell us all out to them.

[Dr. Love]

I don't tend to trust the government and hate having to defend them and play 'devil's advocate,' but then what happens if an "American citizen" comes back from Yemen and plants a car bomb killing 100 pedestrians in Anytown, USA? It's easy to second guess the gov't, but what cannot be denied is that we've had no follow up terror attacks and very little death since 9/11 (if you don't count Iraq)...

If the ends justified the means, Saddam would have been an ok dude

[Romeo Delight]

I think I can speak for most Canadians...we really, really want Obama back in. When I was young and full of piss and vinegar, I used to think the Republicans were my party...now that I am a (semi) reasoned adult, I couldn't imagine being one now.

I am in the US all of the time and it really is remarkable how you are either a Hatfield or McCoy, errrrr Dem or Rep...

I honestly approach each Federal election in Canada with a relatively clear slate in terms of who I will vote for.

[FORD]

Sometimes I really wish we had the parliamentary thing on this side of the border, so it might be easier to get some other parties off the ground. Sure, you guys still get stuck with douchebags like Stevie Harper now and then, but at least you can check his power by having some of the other parties team up in a coalition or whatever.

BTW.... how's the NDP doing without Jack Layton?

[WACF]

Sometimes I really wish we had the parliamentary thing on this side of the border, so it might be easier to get some other parties off the ground. Sure, you guys still get stuck with douchebags like Stevie Harper now and then, but at least you can check his power by having some of the other parties team up in a coalition or whatever.

BTW.... how's the NDP doing without Jack Layton?

They have gone hard for the Quebec vote...more or less taken the spot of the Bloq...but with a national party.

Their policies are still tax heavy.

Jack's shoes are hard to fill...sorely missed by many...including PM Harper who many times gave him credit for pushing certain issues.

[LoungeMachine]

The scotus argument is trotted out every election.

And a VALID one at that......



Just imagine who McCain would have put up there.....

Or how Citizens United would never have happened if the Florida recount hadn't been stopped.



Don't discount the importance of the SCOTUS in the same thread you expect us to re-evaluate our votes.

[Blaze]

fluffy boy come back


Sent from my ibitch!

[Seshmeister]

I don't tend to trust the government and hate having to defend them and play 'devil's advocate,' but then what happens if an "American citizen" comes back from Yemen and plants a car bomb killing 100 pedestrians in Anytown, USA? It's easy to second guess the gov't, but what cannot be denied is that we've had no follow up terror attacks and very little death since 9/11 (if you don't count Iraq)...

Well you need a national curfew system then.

If from 8pm - 8am every night no one was allowed outside their home then 1000s of people wouldn't be killed each year.

I fucking guarantee that would save more than a 9-11 every single year and also the NSA would be in favor of it.

What are you waiting for?

[LoungeMachine]

Well you need a national curfew system then.

If from 8pm - 8am every night no one was allowed outside their home then 1000s of people wouldn't be killed each year.

I fucking guarantee that would save more than a 9-11 every single year and also the NSA would be in favor of it.

What are you waiting for?

Actually a single-payer Healthcare System would save even more lives than your rhetorical curfew.....and cost less.



Let's start there.

[Seshmeister]

And since you can trust corporations completely but government is evil the sensible thing would surely be to abolish the US military completely and give the contract to Blackwater or whatever they have had to change their name to this week.

[BigBadBrian]

i'm voting for obama.

Really? :sarcasm:

he got significant health care reform done. was it the best conceivable? no. was it exactly what he initially proposed? no. but it was better than nothing.

Not really. It's going to drive this country deeper in debt, raise premiums, and garner no improvement in the quality of care.

he got a signifcant stimulus bill passed. perfect? no. flawed? yep. better than nothing? yep.

The stimulus bill had no effect on the economy other than adding $1 Trillion to the deficit. Unemployment is actually much higher than the reported 8.2% reported due to a lot of people that have quit looking for jobs.

he wound the war in iraq down. soon as i would've liked? no. better than indefinitely? yep.

You're insane. Obama is like the QB who came i off the bench in the 4th QTR with a 3 TD lead. The surge under Bush was responsible for the outcome in Iraq.

there's the auto industry. the enviornment. libya. the stock market. the housing market. 28 straight months of private sector job growth. etc.

and all while fighting against a republican senate for most of the first 2 years that wanted to stop everything he tried, and a republican house for the last 1+ years that is stopping everything.

Uh huh. I suppose a Republican President never had to fight against a hostile Democratic Congress? You have to go back as far as.....................Bush 43.

is obama the perfect president? no. definitely not. but he's far different than what would occur under mccain, or bush, or romney. anyone who can't see that is buying TOO much into political cynicism.

Quit reading your liberal sources and listening to the Liberal Media, which is most of TV and the major newspapers.

[Nickdfresh]

Well you need a national curfew system then.

If from 8pm - 8am every night no one was allowed outside their home then 1000s of people wouldn't be killed each year.

I fucking guarantee that would save more than a 9-11 every single year and also the NSA would be in favor of it.

What are you waiting for?

I was talking about the scrutiny any gov't would get if a major terror attack took place. It is also hard to argue that al Qaida hasn't been decimated by drone strikes...

[Nickdfresh]

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You're insane. Obama is like the QB who came i off the bench in the 4th QTR with a 3 TD lead. The surge under Bush was responsible for the outcome in Iraq.
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"The Surge" was only implemented out of desperation by an admin that was failing miserably and was the plan of people that were largely against the Invasion of Iraq to begin with...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

"The Surge" was only implemented out of desperation by an admin that was failing miserably and was the plan of people that were largely against the Invasion of Iraq to begin with...

Wasn't "The Surge" successful mostly because we paid off the insurgents not to fight?

[Dr. Love]

Actually a single-payer Healthcare System would save even more lives than your rhetorical curfew.....and cost less.



Let's start there.

You mean the single payer system Obama cut a deal to kill as an option early on?