U.S. Ambassador Killed by Terrorists in Libya

[DLR Bridge]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

[jhale667]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

And agree - "Mr. Ego", FFS? This from the guy that's about to vote (against his own self-interests) for the self-important, poster-child for arrogance, greed and tax-evasion, pathological liar megalomaniac that's been failing at running for the better part of the last decade...

[baru911]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

Real Time with Maher??? You're shitting me right? LMAO. Bill would NEVER taint nor bend anything.

I'm lost on your “declared responsibility and accountability statement”. Thus far, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the only member of Mr. Ego’s administration to take any blame. She said on Monday that she, not President Ego, is responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks in Benghazi that killed a U.S. diplomat and three other Americans.

Pres. Ego stated the following in the debate:

"The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we were going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror and I also said that we were going to hunt down those who committed this crime."

"I'm the president and I'm always responsible."

"Not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I've made, but when it comes to our national security I mean what I say... When I say that we're going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable and I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there, because these are my folks and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home - you know I mean what I say."

His statement of "I'm the president and I'm always responsible." doesn’t hold up. If that was the case then he is responsible for
1) failing to implement programs to bring the economy back
2) the crappy economy
3) the Gulf Oil spill
4) the mounting deficit that has been added every year in his administration

Course we all know that Pres. Ego is NOT responsible for those items. Those are Bush's fault if you believe what Pres. Ego has told us for the last 4 years. So, which is it? He doesn't get it both ways does he?

He has stated that we are going to find out what exactly happened. Course through other sources besides the White House it appears that we are finding out that the White House was copied on e-mails about the situation, that an unmanned Predator drone was over the consulate in Benghazi during the attack and it sent back live video of the attack, the attack lasted SEVEN HOURS, the ring leader of the attackers Ahmad Abu Khattala has admitted being at the consulate during the attack but has yet to be questioned by any Libyan authorities.

[envy_me]

Mr. Ego? You mean the guy who declared responsibility and accountability for the situation during the second debate?

Do me a favor and check out episode #263 of Real Time w/ Bill Maher. If you don't get HBO, the pod casts are free.

I LOVE Bill!!!

[jhale667]

Clearly someone didn't watch the 2nd OR 3rd debate... of the Secretary of State, Obama said "She works for ME. I'M responsible."

[DLR Bridge]

Real Time with Maher??? You're shitting me right? LMAO. Bill would NEVER taint nor bend anything.

I'm lost on your “declared responsibility and accountability statement”. Thus far, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is the only member of Mr. Ego’s administration to take any blame. She said on Monday that she, not President Ego, is responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks in Benghazi that killed a U.S. diplomat and three other Americans.

Mr. Ego the following in the debate:

"The day after the attack, Governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that we were going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror and I also said that we were going to hunt down those who committed this crime."

"I'm the president and I'm always responsible."

"Not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I've made, but when it comes to our national security I mean what I say... When I say that we're going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable and I am ultimately responsible for what's taking place there, because these are my folks and I'm the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home - you know I mean what I say."


He has stated that we are going to find out what exactly happened. His statement of "I'm the president and I'm always responsible." doesn’t hold up. If that was the case then he is responsible for
1) failing to implement programs to bring the economy back
2) he’s responsible for the crappy economy
3) he’s responsible for the Gulf Oil spill
4) the mounting deficit that has been added every year in his administration

Course we all know that Pres. Ego is NOT responsible for those items. Those are Bush's fault is you believe what Pres. Ego tells us. So, which is it?

Through other sources it appears that we are finding out that the White House was copied on e-mails about the situation, that an unmanned Predator drone wasover the consulate in Benghazi during the attack and it sent back live video of the attack, the attack lasted SEVEN HOURS, the ring leader of the attackers Ahmad Abu Khattala has admitted being at the consulate during the horrific attack but has yet to be questioned by any Libyan authorities.

Bill got two conservatards to admit Rmoney fucked himself hard with regards to the ordeal.

Where was all of the anger from the right when their own president ignored the Clinton administration terror intel that lead to 3000 American deaths??? Don't dare fucking tell me that none of that info was worth taking seriously because of the Lewinsky scandal.

Where was all the anger from the right when their own president sent 4000 soldiers to there deaths in the wrong fucking country???

Look, I know it's frowned upon around here to rehash the fucking disgrace that was 2000 to 2008, but FFS, W mandated that the American troops in Iraq had to pray for him! HIM!!! Thank GOD we have a real human at the helm and not some imperialistic piece of shit!!!

[baru911]

Bill got two conservatards to admit Rmoney fucked himself hard with regards to the ordeal.

Where was all of the anger from the right when their own president ignored the Clinton administration terror intel that lead to 3000 American deaths??? Don't dare fucking tell me that none of that info was worth taking seriously because of the Lewinsky scandal.

Where was all the anger from the right when their own president sent 4000 soldiers to there deaths in the wrong fucking country???

Look, I know it's frowned upon around here to rehash the fucking disgrace that was 2000 to 2008, but FFS, W mandated that the American troops in Iraq had to pray for him! HIM!!! Thank GOD we have a real human at the helm and not some imperialistic piece of shit!!!

And the disgrace of the last four years doesn't seem to bother you. Pres. Ego has pursued the drastic escalation of the war in Afghanistan, despite the obvious impossibility of creating a stable, secure state there, is at best a major political blunder, and at worst an immoral waste of tens of thousands of human lives while also resulting in immense human suffering and costing untold billions in taxpayer dollars - money that could have been spent in this country. Pres. Ego's dramatic expansion of drone strikes, despite the fact that he knows that surgical killing from the skies is another impossible goal, may even constitute a war crime, especially considering that civilian contractors (crap I used the most unholy of terms there) are often involved in the exercise of this deadly force outside of declared combat zones.

Fuck it. I'll just type some of the negative Bush era polices continued or expanded under Mr. Ego's Administration:

1) Overall military spending is significantly up since President Bush left office

2) Bank bailouts with no strings attached continued unabated, with no accountability for past actions

3) Greatly expanded war in Afghanistan, threatening war with Iran and Syria

4) Greatly expanded the unmanned drone strikes in Africa and the Middle East and denial that any civilian casualties have occurred

5) Continued and expanded warrantless wiretapping at great taxpayer expense, and refusal to reveal how many citizens are being spied upon

6) Lack of Justice Dept. or other investigations into the financial collapse, foreclosure fraud, etc.

7) Continuation of indefinite detention without trial, now including American citizens after President Ego signed the NDAA into law

8) Expanded oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas, support for more nuclear power plants, not supporting stricter drinking water standards, not properly funding watchdog agencies like the EPA, FDA or USDA

9) Under the Pres. Ego's administration the FDA has turned its scrutiny inward to investigate FDA scientists who challenged FDA approval of medical devices

10) Prosecution of whistleblowers rather than support

11) Federal crackdown on medical marijuana facilities contrary to state law and doctor's and scientist's recommendations

12) Extrajudicial assassinations now including American citizens

13) Continued use of a "state of war", when in fact no war has been declared, to justify actions ranging from pre-emptive wars to drone strikes and targeted assassinations

14) Pres. Ego proclaimed that courts were not needed to determine which Americans should be targeted for assassination, and that the administration itself could provide "due process"

15) Continued and expanded use of civilian contractors (oh no, that most unholy of unholy terms got used again) and CIA personnel to perform military activities including drone strikes

16) No attempt at even the most basic, gun control laws, for example limiting the size of ammo clips or closing the gun show loophole (I'm so glad he never went here!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

17) Candidate Ego promised a transparent administration open to scrutiny, but has instead been highly secretive about his meetings with lobbyists and corporations, while simultaneously waging war on whistleblowers

18) The White House was staffed with people from Wall Street. Tim Geithner, one of those involved in the financial collapse, was appointed as Treasury Secretary. Rather than holding Wall Street accountable, President Ego has made those responsible for the financial collapse even more powerful, with substantial influence over his agenda

19) Rather than working for peace in the Middle East, President Ego has pursued expanded war across the entire region

20) No attempt to limit corporate campaign funding.

Did Bill bring those up? You still jumping up and down for Pres. Ego? The dude you defend is Bush-lite with a health care law that was only good for insurance companies.

[DLR Bridge]

Oh, you mean the drone strikes Rmoney approved the other night? At work and can't dissect your wonderful list but seriously, #3. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Nickdfresh]

The fact that this administration paraded Susan Rice around on the Sunday political shows (FIVE of them) after that Rose Garden speech to disavow the terrorist language is all the evidence one needs to figure out where Mr. Ego and his administration stood on that issue. Also, if you read the speech, Mr. Ego refers, in the third paragraph, to the terrorists as “killers” and the terrorist attack as an “outrageous and shocking attack” but never a terrorist attack. In the next paragraph, he refers to them as “senseless violence” and “brutal acts.” (not acts of terror).

The house of cards they built on the situations is starting to unravel. As the e-mails, and soon the testimony of the key players will show - Mr. Ego and his administration has got a bit of explaining to do.

Lastly does anyone not find the attempt to by Mr. Ego and his people to taint Muslims and even attempting to expand the baseless stereotype of the Muslim faith in America with the "it was a video that caused the attack" as offensive? I'd have thought all you good left wingers would have found that to be offensive.

What would you expect Susan Rice to exactly know and say? The attack just happened, there were in fact riots and protests over the film trailer including violent ones, and some terrorist douchebags placed the claims on their Facebook page. I mean really? Isn't it time to move on and find Ansar al-Sharia?

[Nickdfresh]

How is this "new info" when you two idiots, your idol Joe McCarThief, and every moron at FAUX Noize has been desperately spinning this pile of horseshit for weeks, trying to turn it into a "Iran helicopter crash 1979" thing.

Not like that was actually Carter's fault either, for that matter.

Oh Lord. It is a weird day. I'm agreeing with Ford. The crash wasn't President Carter's fault. It was poor planning.

Or it was poor execution, as there were severe deficiencies in the training of military chopper pilots overall, and no special ops air wing existed to match Delta, SEALS, Rangers, etc.--which is why Task Force 160 was created. And of course the services failed to coordinate their communications, SOP's, etc...

[DLR Bridge]

What would you expect Susan Rice to exactly know and say? The attack just happened, there were in fact riots and protests over the film trailer including violent ones, and some terrorist douchebags placed the claims on their Facebook page. I mean really? Isn't it time to move on and find Ansar al-Sharia?

And cease this great moment of schadenfreude? This is all guys like this have left to live for at the moment.

[Nickdfresh]

And the disgrace of the last four years doesn't seem to bother you. Pres. Ego has pursued the drastic escalation of the war in Afghanistan, despite the obvious impossibility of creating a stable, secure state there, is at best a major political blunder, and at worst an immoral waste of tens of thousands of human lives while also resulting in immense human suffering and costing untold billions in taxpayer dollars - money that could have been spent in this country. Pres. Ego's dramatic expansion of drone strikes, despite the fact that he knows that surgical killing from the skies is another impossible goal, may even constitute a war crime, especially considering that civilian contractors (crap I used the most unholy of terms there) are often involved in the exercise of this deadly force outside of declared combat zones.

Fuck it. I'll just type some of the negative Bush era polices continued or expanded under Mr. Ego's Administration:

1) Overall military spending is significantly up since President Bush left office

2) Bank bailouts with no strings attached continued unabated, with no accountability for past actions

3) Greatly expanded war in Afghanistan, threatening war with Iran and Syria

4) Greatly expanded the unmanned drone strikes in Africa and the Middle East and denial that any civilian casualties have occurred

5) Continued and expanded warrantless wiretapping at great taxpayer expense, and refusal to reveal how many citizens are being spied upon

6) Lack of Justice Dept. or other investigations into the financial collapse, foreclosure fraud, etc.

7) Continuation of indefinite detention without trial, now including American citizens after President Ego signed the NDAA into law

8) Expanded oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas, support for more nuclear power plants, not supporting stricter drinking water standards, not properly funding watchdog agencies like the EPA, FDA or USDA

9) Under the Pres. Ego's administration the FDA has turned its scrutiny inward to investigate FDA scientists who challenged FDA approval of medical devices

10) Prosecution of whistleblowers rather than support

11) Federal crackdown on medical marijuana facilities contrary to state law and doctor's and scientist's recommendations

12) Extrajudicial assassinations now including American citizens

13) Continued use of a "state of war", when in fact no war has been declared, to justify actions ranging from pre-emptive wars to drone strikes and targeted assassinations

14) Pres. Ego proclaimed that courts were not needed to determine which Americans should be targeted for assassination, and that the administration itself could provide "due process"

15) Continued and expanded use of civilian contractors (oh no, that most unholy of unholy terms got used again) and CIA personnel to perform military activities including drone strikes

16) No attempt at even the most basic, gun control laws, for example limiting the size of ammo clips or closing the gun show loophole (I'm so glad he never went here!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

17) Candidate Ego promised a transparent administration open to scrutiny, but has instead been highly secretive about his meetings with lobbyists and corporations, while simultaneously waging war on whistleblowers

18) The White House was staffed with people from Wall Street. Tim Geithner, one of those involved in the financial collapse, was appointed as Treasury Secretary. Rather than holding Wall Street accountable, President Ego has made those responsible for the financial collapse even more powerful, with substantial influence over his agenda

19) Rather than working for peace in the Middle East, President Ego has pursued expanded war across the entire region

20) No attempt to limit corporate campaign funding.

Did Bill bring those up? You still jumping up and down for Pres. Ego? The dude you defend is Bush-lite with a health care law that was only good for insurance companies.

If you're going to cut and paste bullshit, please properly accredit and link it! Military spending is up, but occupation spending is way down, and you think Romney is going to fix any of this?

[baru911]

Or it was poor execution, as there were severe deficiencies in the training of military chopper pilots overall, and no special ops air wing existed to match Delta, SEALS, Rangers, etc.--which is why Task Force 160 was created. And of course the services failed to coordinate their communications, SOP's, etc...

Nick, they failed to provide an adequate plan and they didn't provide for "what if" or "what the fuck everything went to shit" situations. The planning that an ODA would do in a planning bay before going into the field is about 1000 times better than what was approved on that mission. Your building off the failures of the past to make the present better - lessons learned. An ODA attempts to provide for any and all contingencies. While planning for everything is not possible; broad concept planning done during in the planning bay does cover many of them. The time spent over the 3D model built in the bay gives your ODA the ability to react to events outside of your planning faster and with better solutions.

If you don't plan for "sand storms" and when you fail to provide for gas usage/consumption while in the field in that area of the world then you didn't follow the 6 P's of life. The outcome of that operation showed it.

[baru911]

Oh, you mean the drone strikes Rmoney approved the other night? At work and can't dissect your wonderful list but seriously, #3. Are you fucking kidding me?

Dude, I've been very constant about drone strikes. I don't care who approves them - they are a crap shoot. Also, killing people ends your ability to gather intelligence from them. Drone strikes should not be used as some solution not to put boots on the ground. We make mistakes and innocent people suffer and die. It tends to make other Countries mad at us. We have enough issues without adding to them by fuckin' up a drone strike and killing little tommy toddler.

On #3 maybe you need to look at simple facts:
Before 2006, there were about 10 to 20,000 US troops in Afghanistan. By the time Bush left office he ramped it up to 33,000 troops. By mid-2010, there were almost three times as many about 91,000 troops. Obama also boosted private contractors by about a quarter in Afghanistan. As of January 2011, there were 87,000 contractors (Oh no, I used that unholy term again....LMAO) in Afghanistan.

The Congressional Research Service showed the following breakdown on the cost per year in billions:
Afghanistan
FY 01 & 02 - $20.8
FY 03 - $14.7
FY 04 - $14.5
FY 06 - $20.0
FY 08 - $19.0
FY 09 - $39.2
FY 10 - $43.5
FY 11 - $59.5
FY 12 - $93.8

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

Looks to me like the war got a bit bigger. We are giving weapons to the opposition in Syria. Thus, we are involved. I have stated and will state again we should have pulled out of Afghanistan at the end of year 4. The USA is not good at nation building. We are very good at smashing things. We are the world's Hulk. Our goal was accomplished and we should have pulled out. Lastly, either we or Israel are going to shit hammer Iran in the very near future.

[Nickdfresh]

Nick, they failed to provide an adequate plan and they didn't provide for "what if" or "what the fuck everything went to shit" situations. The planning that an ODA would do in a planning bay before going into the field is about 1000 times better than what was approved on that mission. Your building off the failures of the past to make the present better - lessons learned. An ODA attempts to provide for any and all contingencies. While that is not possible broad concept planning done during that time in the bay does cover many of them. The time spent over the 3D model built in the bay gives your ODA the ability to react to events outside of your planning faster and with better solutions.

If you don't plan for "sand storms" and when you fail to provide for gas usage/consumption while in the field in that area of the world then you didn't follow the 6 P's of life. The outcome of that operation showed it.

Actually they did provide the "what if", the number of choppers was redundant. I don't recall the particulars, but more Sea Stallion choppers were brought in than needed, the mission was scrubbed due to mechanical failure in the hostile desert environment, then the crash happened as well as various complications like having to blow up an Iranian tanker truck and the holding a bus filled with Iranian pilgrims that happened to be coming by.

Secondly, the plan was extremely complex due to the nature of walking into an enemy capital and seizing a large area of it and then fleeing towards Turkey. I've read ex-Delta operators that said it was better that the plan was scrubbed as the likelihood of a bloody gun fight in downtown Tehran was high, and hundreds of civilians and many hostages would have been killed...