The Gun Control Thread

[Pink Spider]

They're too busy cutting off peoples' heads and dumping them in town centers when not outgunning Mexican police and military personnel with their collection of assault weapons and submachine-guns acquired through mass straw-purchases in the U.S....

Perfect example of how gun control doesn't work the way intended when it's impossible to secure the borders.

Being widely available in the US, assault weapons have a negligible effect on crime overall. Our crime rates are still dropping. Is it really because of the guns that Mexicans are dying? Or is it the fact that you have a population who can't defend themselves from drug cartels - thanks to strict gun control laws?

[BigBadBrian]

.....assault weapons ....

The correct term is semiautomatic rifle or carbine. "Assault Weapons" is a term used by gun-control nuts to scare the public. An AR-15 is NOT an "assault weapon."

[Nickdfresh]

Perfect example of how gun control doesn't work the way intended when it's impossible to secure the borders.

Only if the nation next door has a free for all when it comes to guns. Which, isn't really any nation at all (with a few exceptions like South Africa) other than the U.S.

Being widely available in the US, assault weapons have a negligible effect on crime overall. Our crime rates are still dropping. Is it really because of the guns that Mexicans are dying? Or is it the fact that you have a population who can't defend themselves from drug cartels - thanks to strict gun control laws?

How would having an assault rifle help one defend oneself against a drug cartel with dozens of henchmen with assault rifles? The policia in Mexico can't defend themselves (the ones not bought off, that is) and they HAVE GUNS! Let's not be absurd and begin pretending the reason that we have the largest number of gun deaths on earth is because everyone doesn't have a gun. There's no question the ease of access to assault weapons has exacerbated the violence there...

[Nickdfresh]

The correct term is semiautomatic rifle or carbine. "Assault Weapons" is a term used by gun-control nuts to scare the public. An AR-15 is NOT an "assault weapon."

Says who? And a true "carbine" fires pistol ammunition, yet it began to be used to describe modified, shortened rifles to differentiate them from the regular rifle. The terms ('assault rifle' coined by Hitler IIRC) are semantics...

[BigBadBrian]

Says who? And a true "carbine" fires pistol ammunition, yet it began to be used to describe modified, shortened rifles to differentiate them from the regular rifle. The terms ('assault rifle' coined by Hitler IIRC) are semantics...

As are the visuals you gun control advocates crap your pants about, like semi-auto on a hunting rifle, pistol grips on rifles, magazines holding more than 10 rounds, etc.

Here's an article for you, please excuse the pic of the "scary" guns: 20 Versatile Semi-Automatic Rifles

Excerpt:



AP4 LR-308
A compact version of its Long Range .308 rifle, Panther Arms introduced the AP4 LR-308 in 2005 as a response to calls for a smaller, faster and lighter AR-10-style carbine with more punch and heft than the M4 carbine. Standard features include an A3 height receiver rail, A2 front fixed sight, and a collapsible stock. A favorite of competitive shooters, it is gaining popularity with big game hunters because of its accuracy and flexibility.

Advantages: The AP4 LR-308 is better-suited for still/stand-hunting, but at 10-11 pounds (accessorized and loaded) and 38 inches long, it's not too heavy or too lengthy to stalk in timber. Its Picatinny rail upper receiver with removable carry handle provides the capacity to accept a wide range of optics.

MSRP: $1,300.
Website: www.dpmsinc.com




POF-USA P-415 in 6.8 SPC Spec II
Patriot Ordnance Factory Inc.'s P-415 Gas Piston Rifle features a gas-trap piston operating system that adds a gas plug, a gas piston, and a push rod while removing the gas-rings, gas tube, and gas key to the standard AR platform. The result is an AR that runs cooler, cleaner and more reliably.

Advantages: With a 9 1/4-inch barrel and an overall length under 30 inches (less than 26 inches with retracted stock), this P-415 model weighs a nimble 6.5 pounds (without magazine, accessories). The version chambered for the relatively new 6.8 SPC is suitable for deer, making this AR a good bet for stalking in timber.
MSRP: $1,0975.
Website: www.pof-usa.net/pdf_files/BG_70-75.pdf

[BigBadBrian]

...the relatively new 6.8 SPC is suitable for...

As a side note, this round should probably replace the 5.56mm. More punch than the 5.56 yet not as much as the 7.62.

[lesfunk]

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[lesfunk]

After learning that Connecticut, where I live, is one of the more regulated states when it come to guns, I was surprised ay how relatively easy to buy a gun. I have no problem with a background check and 2 week waiting period. If I bought a hunting license I won't even have to wait.
I certainly don't have a problem with a Federal standard with regards to background checks and waiting periods.
It's ok with me to find out a little about an individual before handing them such a powerful device.
I wouldn't be opposed to mandatory gun safety education either.
Owning and operating a firearm is a great responsibility and I intend to operate my weapons in a safe responsible manner.

[Pink Spider]

How would having an assault rifle help one defend oneself against a drug cartel with dozens of henchmen with assault rifles?

So, basically; they should be victims?

The policia in Mexico can't defend themselves (the ones not bought off, that is) and they HAVE GUNS!

They police still have a better chance than your ordinary citizen. If the police are ineffectual, what's wrong with allowing people to defend themselves?

Let's not be absurd and begin pretending the reason that we have the largest number of gun deaths on earth is because everyone doesn't have a gun.

Old data, but per 100,000 we're not the largest. Link


There's no question the ease of access to assault weapons has exacerbated the violence there...

I'm not questioning that. I'm questioning the fact that criminals can get a weapon while ordinary citizens can't.

[ELVIS]

They're too busy cutting off peoples' heads and dumping them in town centers when not outgunning Mexican police and military personnel with their collection of assault weapons and submachine-guns acquired through mass straw-purchases in the U.S....

Overseen by Eric Holder...

[DONNIEP]

I must live in the only part of the country that has home invasions. Just a week ago one took place within 25 minutes of here. Luckily the homeowner was only beaten up and not killed. This was just the most recent - it seems like they occur on a regular basis in the greater Charlotte area.

[ELVIS]

There were eight armed robberies in Washington DC just last night...

Last time I checked, guns are banned in DC...

Why can't these criminals follow the law ??

[DONNIEP]

There were eight armed robberies in Washington DC just last night...

Last time I checked, guns are banned in DC...

Why can't these criminals follow the law ??

The victims were armed - they all had fists and cell phones, right? Why didn't they just kick some ass or call the police?

[ELVIS]

[ELVIS]